Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Public Sector Gulags
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Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2006-02-05 16:39:00, Eudora wrote:
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--- Quote ---I am sure a jail is a worse environment that a psychiatric hospital.
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I'm not. Not at all. In jail, nobody's needling you for intimate details, obsessing over your every mood and behavior or trying in ernest to convince you that that you're nuts.
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For this discussion though, it is not too relevant.
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Yeah it is.
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I trust you know your children's issues. Just as equally I have the impression that you don't know your adult mental health issues. Probably because you have not been there, but gained your knowledge by reading biased opinion type information.
Well psych hospitals are not the big manipulative gulags that you think they are. Forever underfunded the complaint is too little care, too little interaction with doctors and professional staff. What they are know as is a safer envirnment than jail.
Why would anyone want to put someone with a chronic disease in a jail, instead of a hospital?
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These "forced treatment" law updated movement around the country is for outpatient treatment.
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ORLY! And how, prey tell, do you think they enforce this outpatient treatment?
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Well that is a no-brainer to answer. If a misdemeaner is committed a diversion program is offered called ACT, an outpatient program.
The person can always refuse and just do the jail time that they where convicted of, there is no manipulation. If one wants to go to jail, go. The outpatient diversion programs are an alternative to jail.
How did you not know that?
If you don't know what ACT, Assertive Community Treatment, is I can find something to post.
Community = outpatient "
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Sure it does, provided you comply w/ your case worker or shrink demands and don't piss them off.
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Again, "forced" or Assertive Community Treatment is misunderstood. No one convicted of a crime, that has a jail sentence has to do outpatient diversion instead. Just say no! It is simple.
Then the horror of not going to jail would never enter the picture. Just think, no case managers, no medications just do one's time in the paradise they call prison.
Anonymous:
Where are all these happy symptomatic mental
people that you all are alluding?
I don't see them?
You do?
Where are they, I would like to talk to them
and see how they have become so happy being
chronically symptomatic.
The folks I have met who had psychosis,
delusion and hallucionations hated them.
The people I know who have been manic,
usually cannot remember the mania, and
all hate the aftermath, high debts,
broken relationship, torpedoed careers,
family problems, etc.
The depressed? Again I don't know anyone who wants to continue to be depressed. I also
don't know anyone who looks back on their
active depressions as a good time.
So, I am curious, and really would like
to meet these folks who are happy being
symptomatically mentally ill. Thanks!
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2006-02-05 16:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
It doesn't take a rocket scientest to know that the amount of people not mentally ill who commit suicide, or homicide on a weekly basis is much, much higher.
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Really? I think there's the rare case where those are sane options. But, in most practical situations, you'd have to be fuckin' nuts to kill yourself or anyone else.
When dogma enters the brain, all intellectual activity ceases.
Robert Anton Wilson
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Antigen:
I can't even sort this out. Sorry. Can you repost that and I'll delete the first one?
Don't let your dogma run out in front of your karma.
--Anonymous
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Anonymous:
--- Quote ---Can you repost that and I'll delete the first one?
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Definately, I thought I did the quote, /quote
correctly, but when I checked it, what a mess.
For now on, when I answer too many points, I
will just make a new post.
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