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join our protest on Feb 25 - Florida Holocaust Museum
Anonymous:
I am not trying to pick a fight, just stating what I believe.
I respect what believe as well and understand where you are coming from.
What would you suggest they put on the signs?
GregFL:
Not my call what goes on the sign, and again I wish them the best.
You too.
Anonymous:
No one, no sign, no flier ever said there were dead bodies, or gas chambers.
Even in court filings in Bradbury's case you will see what happened at Straight on specific points compared to holocaust like activities.
No one said there were dead bodies, or gas chambers.
I am not picking a fight with you, nor do I wish to but I do believe many things that happened at Straight and they scale in which they took place are very much like a holocaust.
Over thousands of years there have been many holocausts, not just the one during WWII.
The Jewish holocuast is not the only time in history there has been a holocaust.
it's not just a jewish thing.
In any case, I respect you thoughts on the matter.
GregFL:
Thanks, I respect yours as well...I just don't agree with them.
Again..it is the word "holocaust" that conjures up the imagery of dead bodies and gas chambers. The people observing automatically get this imagery in their head, and then they see you standing there. Then they compare what they know about Straight (if anything) to what you are saying, and then they decide on your credibility and make a determination on your message.
This whole process takes about 5 seconds.
And this is where I part company with the idea of the protest. I think the message is overly emotional and lacks credibility. However, I fully support the idea that these people should be removed from the Holocaust board. It is hippocritical.
[ This Message was edited by: GregFL on 2006-01-30 09:28 ]
marcwordsmith:
Anonymous mentioned that the Jewish holocaust was not the only historical holocaust.
As a Jew, that statement made me a little queasy. It felt like a non sequitor. I KNOW the Jewish holocaust was not the only holocaust. There was the wholesale slaughter of the American Indians, the killing fields of Cambodia, Rwanda, Bosnia, and more. But I don't understand the reason why Anonymous felt the need to make that statement. I'm not sure what the exact point was of that and as a Jew, I winced.
I also want to say, as a Jew, that I'm appalled to know not only that Mel and Betty Sembler are also Jewish, but that they publicize this fact. It's disgusting. They are disgusting people. There are disgusting people (and good people) in every ethnic group.
As for whether or not Straight, Inc. can be compared to a holocaust, the bottom line for me is that I don't know because I wasn't there. I have heard that it was far more physically brutal than the Seed and I'm sure that's true.
Once, when I told a friend a long time ago about the Seed, he deemed it (in an informal conversation) a "little holocaust"--meaning a kind of holocaust of the soul. There was something to that, I think. But the question with this upcoming protest is what will be communicated to the public (via the press) and what the impact will be. If this Richard Bradbury fellow has had success in the past, then more power to him, I suppose; I don't know. I do detest the Semblers and I do think that what goes on in programs like Straight and the Seed can be deemed "torture" in many intances, and I don't flinch from that.
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