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join our protest on Feb 25 - Florida Holocaust Museum
Antigen:
Yeah, I'm around. Been busy, that's all.
I'm ambivalent as hell about the Holocause Museum protests. First off, ya'll just don't know the history of how Richard Bradburry's Community Improvement Foundation went about shutting down Straight, Inc. Rich stood out there protesting Straight Inc., usually all alone, from `85 till it finally shut down in like `93, I think. He may be crazy, but he ain't dumb. So I'm inclined to hunker and watch just on that count.
My only objection to the concept is that it's too damned much to explain. I get it, but even fellow program vets have a hard time understanding, and we all tend to be at least a little sympathetic going in.
I don't think it's off at all to reference the German Holocaust when discussing the drug war.
You say there are no death camps? I say there are. Here's a sad tale of one deader than dead scapegoat:
http://www.teenliberty.org/BootCamp.htm
Sadly, it's not an unusual story. Couple of times a year we get news of another one like this, or another suicide. And they don't always make the papers, folks, odds are we don't even know about all of them. But the stories we do know about are hauntingly similar. The kid always dies accused of faking and manipulating. The allegedly horrible, soulless, dangerous kids around them never seem to have any difficulty telling the difference. But they're always scared to do anything to piss off the allegedly helpful staff who can't seem to see (or, in some cases, even smell) what's going on right in front of them, day after day after horrifying day.
How does that happen? Well, just read some of the TOUGHLOVE hategroup propaganda then you try and explain to me the difference between it and the National Socialist German Workers Party.
No, I think there's a valid point to the protest. I'm doubtful about their getting the message accross effectively in the way they're doing it. But then, I've known rich now for about 5 years. At every encounter, I've always wondered if he hadn't finally gone completely `round the bend.
But then, he's accomplished quite a bit. Just recently, gotten Betty Sembler under depo and Melvin's is coming up here shortly. If it weren't an 18 hour drive for me, I'd go. Not sure whether I'd want to hold a sign and stand w/ the protestors or just take some pics and see how the land lays. But I sure am not inclined to oppose the project.
A government resting on the minority is an aristocracy, not a Republic, and could not be safe with a numerical and physical force against it, without a standing army, an enslaved press and a disarmed populace.
James Madison, The Federalist No. 46
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Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2006-01-30 06:18:00, Eudora wrote:
No, I think there's a valid point to the protest. I'm doubtful about their getting the message accross effectively in the way they're doing it.
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That wraps up my feelings entirely. While I think this is the case, I sincerely hope it is not and wish them the best..
To me, the best result of the protest would be the removal of all the offenders from the holocaust board.
Good luck to the protesters, and yes, protesting is a safe, legal, and effective way to convey a message...assuming you take appropriate actions to make yourself appear credible, lucid, and above the fray.
GregFL:
Oops...that was me.
Anonymous:
I have read Richard Bradbury's deposition in the lawsuit he involved with.
Semblers attorney asked some pretty stupid questions that opened the door and Richard Bradbury liken what happened to us at Straight to the Holocaust.
Semblers attorney totally flipped out at that point and made some pretty stupid comments and opened the door for Richard to state our points even more.
The Straight victims have a right to compare it to a holocaust on several points and Bradbury is not afraid to tell them so to their faces.
We have something to learn from him.
Straight was government supported, it was widespread, it was supported by presidents, Straight is and was national "drug policy."
If you compare just these points to how the Nazi's operated you will find many similar mode's of operation, aka "M.O.'s"
That's the point they are trying to make and it sure does have everyone's attention.
Good for the protesters I support them 100%.
GregFL:
You may believe this with all your heart, but your credibility is on the line, and I see a problem with trying to convince the general public you were in a "holocaust".
You haven't convinced me, and I have spent years researching what happened and was in The Seed.
Further, Arnold Trebach warned you guys about this before. He told you to ALWAYS UNDERSTATE YOUR CASE or you will LOSE ALL CREDIBILITY. The word Holocaust conjures imagery of starving kids, dead bodies and gas chambers. Did you experience that?
Is this honestly what is occuring? Can you say that with a straight face? IF so, again I bid you good luck and success.
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