Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS)
Another WWASP death
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2006-01-09 16:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
Like yourself the officals are interested in reducing the number of kids killed while at school. If they can reduce that number it will look good come re-election time. If programs show a reduced suicide rate then non-programs they will seek funding to send more public sector kids there."
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Yes, but they're going about it the same way the Bush admin went looking for WMD; they simply know the Program works and dismiss as lies and manipulation any evidence to the contrary.
Redemption: Deliverance of sinners from the penalty of their sins through the murder of their deity against whom they sinned.
--Ambrose Bierce
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Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2006-01-09 19:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
Anyway in a few months you will beging to realize that the people with a positive experience leave after a few posts and the ones who had a bad experience or never finished hang around forever so you feel you never get a balanced discussion.
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You seem to feel persecuted, but I think you're misinterpreting things. Anybody expressing any opinion on any topic about which people feel strongly is bound to run into contradictory views, unless there's some effective effort to crush dissent.
Just because not everyone agrees with you doesn't mean you're persecuted.
As to making the industry better, well we have to start by defining the industry. It ain't edcation, it's not medical, it's something entirely different. I don't think it can be improved, as such, because I've seen this ol'e soft shoe over and over again for the past 20+ years. Look! WWASP and AIR are giving a command performance of it right now.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?So ... 4&forum=44
It's a scam, darlin. No matter how hard you wish otherwise or how many times you tap your heels together.
The introduction of a Creator has done our independence no good.
--Gore Vidal, author
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Anonymous:
QUOTE: Does SCL restrain kids? YES. Do they train their staff in the propert technique? NO. So, is there an equally good chance of them killing a kid as the names listed? I would say so. END QUOTE
Training consists of extensive Mandt certification, with regular recertification for ALL staff. This is documented. And the principle behind it is to AVOID restraint unless absolutely necessary for the safety of the child or other children. Even then, the restraints are absolutely minimal. And this is nothing new. SCL has done this for years.
With this, as with all claims pro or con, whether it involves lists of deaths or claims about individual programs, credibility suffers with every inaccuracy. It's not nit-picking. Accuracy lends credibility. Inaccuracies---even small ones--create an impression of hysteria. Drama is a short-term strategy and is largely ineffective.
Consider the possibilty that some of the thousands of people who work at programs--whether it's teaching, counseling, whatever--share with you the hope of helping kids and seeing them get healthy long-term. There are actually folks out there---intelligent, sensitive, hard-working, compassionate--who simply disagree with you on how it should happen.
My suggestion: If you want to see change, go about it respectfully, and look carefully and objectively at what each individual program or school is doing. You would be amazed at how close your goals and theirs are.
Anonymous:
As for the MANDT training at SCL, I know for a fact that it happens since my husband will spend his weekend off getting his recertification. I don't know what staff told you that they don't get trained Exit Plan, but they do. Could your staff have been new and the next training hadn't come up yet? I can't speak for them, but I can speak for my husband and he is certified and will be doing recertification very soon.
He takes his job very seriously and would NEVER attempt to harm one of the students at SCL. He hates doing restraints and tries to avoid them at all costs. He has been trained to try all other methods of calming a situation down before it gets to the point of having to restrain someone who is a threat to themselves or others. Like I've said before, not everyone that works there is an unskilled hick that gets off on hurting others. There are people like my husband who do actually care and would like to make a difference in these kids lives.
p:
we wish for a good place to help kids...but this is not it!!!
i have been there...it is nothing less than a jail, for parents who have money and not the time...
wake up, to the real world and the real harm these places do...go stay there for a month and then write back.
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