Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS)
Another WWASP death
Troll Control:
--- Quote ---On 2006-01-10 11:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
"As for the MANDT training at SCL, I know for a fact that it happens since my husband will spend his weekend off getting his recertification. I don't know what staff told you that they don't get trained Exit Plan, but they do. Could your staff have been new and the next training hadn't come up yet? I can't speak for them, but I can speak for my husband and he is certified and will be doing recertification very soon.
He takes his job very seriously and would NEVER attempt to harm one of the students at SCL. He hates doing restraints and tries to avoid them at all costs. He has been trained to try all other methods of calming a situation down before it gets to the point of having to restrain someone who is a threat to themselves or others. Like I've said before, not everyone that works there is an unskilled hick that gets off on hurting others. There are people like my husband who do actually care and would like to make a difference in these kids lives."
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What are your husband's credentials to be working with disturbed kids?
Does he have a master's degree in a mental health discipline? Most of these places hire seriously underqualified personnel.
Anonymous:
Does having a Master's Degree make you any better of a person than someone who doesn't? Ok, so you went to school and managed to graduate with a degree. That doesn't change what's in your heart and your intentions. I have met many people that have a "degree" and they are some of the most vile people I've met. There is a licensed counselor here in town that is absolutely destroying families. She is teaching the children she sees some of the most bizarre things I have ever heard. Does that make her more qualified than my husband to work with kids? I don't think so. I never said my husband had all the credentials to be working with these kids, but he has a good heart and is trying to do his best.
I'm not a troll and I don't agree with everything that goes on at SCL. That's one of the reasons I left because I couldn't and wouldn't agree with some of their policies. I just don't like the fact that everyone thinks that all the staff that work there are bad apples. I'm all for making changes in the programs that are out there. It's why I've been lurking and reading all this information.
I just don't completely agree with either side. I, for one, never saw some of the things that are written on here ever happen. Kids aren't kept in the "Hobbit" for days and weeks without food. They are taken to intervention for a period of about 30 minutes. If they are compliant then they go back to the family or worksheets. They do receive meals and water. I've even taken meals up there before. I also was up there on many occaisions to look at students that had cuts or scrapes and to take care of them since I was part of the Nursing staff. They were never denied medical treatment either. I would even go up there on my breaks to check on kids that I was concerned about.
I didn't agree with some of the consequences that I had to give out while I was a family mom. Some of them were stupid and petty and I refused to do it. I then was called a "caretaker" by my supervisor and was told I was being moved into Worksheets to "toughen me up" As far as I was concerned, if caring about these kids made me a caretaker then so be it! I'm a CARETAKER and proud of it! :grin:
And I will get a screen name as soon as I figure out how to do it properly. :roll: I've only posted here one other time I think, so I'm not sure of the procedure. I don't like being Anonymous and since I don't work there anymore I'm not afraid of losing my job over posting on here...now my hubby, that's another story. He might be the one to suffer for my opinion.
--- Quote ---On 2006-01-10 11:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-10 11:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
"As for the MANDT training at SCL, I know for a fact that it happens since my husband will spend his weekend off getting his recertification. I don't know what staff told you that they don't get trained Exit Plan, but they do. Could your staff have been new and the next training hadn't come up yet? I can't speak for them, but I can speak for my husband and he is certified and will be doing recertification very soon.
He takes his job very seriously and would NEVER attempt to harm one of the students at SCL. He hates doing restraints and tries to avoid them at all costs. He has been trained to try all other methods of calming a situation down before it gets to the point of having to restrain someone who is a threat to themselves or others. Like I've said before, not everyone that works there is an unskilled hick that gets off on hurting others. There are people like my husband who do actually care and would like to make a difference in these kids lives."
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What are your husband's credentials to be working with disturbed kids?
Does he have a master's degree in a mental health discipline? Most of these places hire seriously underqualified personnel."
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Troll Control:
Nobody said having a degree makes one a better person.
Your story is illustrative of how places like SCL operate. They advertise as a therapeutic community, but when you get down to the brass tacks, there aren't qualified people giving therapy to the kids. They're cared for by non-professionals who receive their training from the facility. This is problematic because these people don't have the educational background to assess the effectiveness of the "treatment" they are providing.
I'm not saying your husband isn't a good man. On the contrary, I take your word for it that he is exactly that. The problem arises, though, that your husband isn't properly educated to understand when a practice is ABUSIVE or HARMFUL PSYCHOLOGICALLY. He is simply relying on the trainingg SCL provided him and his bosses' assurances that this type of treatment is what these kids actually need.
Sadly, it is widely known in the mental health community that the type of "treatment" provided by SCL doesn't work to address mental illnesses or mood disorders. It actually exacerbates these problems.
In my view it is incumbent upon the direct care givers to recognize that the children are done grave harm by these methodologies, but, unfortunately, they, like your husband, simply aren't equipped to make these judgements, so they just "go with the program." In this respect, perfectly good people are complicit in the harming of these children, albeit unknowingly at times.
Therein lies the crux of the problem, not in the moral uprightness of the staff.
Remeber the saying "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions"? Well, even the best intentioned folks are not automatically equipped to deal with the serious problems with which these kids present. That is the job of true, educated professionals who KNOW what's best for the well being of the children, not good-intentioned, uneducated, unprofessional, unlicensed caretakers.
TheWho:
--- Quote ---On 2006-01-10 14:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Nobody said having a degree makes one a better person.
Your story is illustrative of how places like SCL operate. They advertise as a therapeutic community, but when you get down to the brass tacks, there aren't qualified people giving therapy to the kids. They're cared for by non-professionals who receive their training from the facility. This is problematic because these people don't have the educational background to assess the effectiveness of the "treatment" they are providing.
I'm not saying your husband isn't a good man. On the contrary, I take your word for it that he is exactly that. The problem arises, though, that your husband isn't properly educated to understand when a practice is ABUSIVE or HARMFUL PSYCHOLOGICALLY. He is simply relying on the trainingg SCL provided him and his bosses' assurances that this type of treatment is what these kids actually need.
Sadly, it is widely known in the mental health community that the type of "treatment" provided by SCL doesn't work to address mental illnesses or mood disorders. It actually exacerbates these problems.
In my view it is incumbent upon the direct care givers to recognize that the children are done grave harm by these methodologies, but, unfortunately, they, like your husband, simply aren't equipped to make these judgements, so they just "go with the program." In this respect, perfectly good people are complicit in the harming of these children, albeit unknowingly at times.
Therein lies the crux of the problem, not in the moral uprightness of the staff.
Remeber the saying "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions"? Well, even the best intentioned folks are not automatically equipped to deal with the serious problems with which these kids present. That is the job of true, educated professionals who KNOW what's best for the well being of the children, not good-intentioned, uneducated, unprofessional, unlicensed caretakers."
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Lets boil this down a little:
***In my view.........That is the job of true, educated professionals who KNOW what's best for the well being of the children, not good-intentioned, uneducated, unprofessional, unlicensed caretakers." *****
You mentioned that he is a nice guy, great. But where are *your qualifications* for determining how much education or compassion a person needs for each position? You left that out. How well intentioned does a person need to be? Can a person hold a PHD but dislike children? Are they disqualified because they spent all there savings aquiring a bachelors degree and want to work their way towards a masters by working with kids or should we send that person packing and hire the PHD guy who only wants to advance his career and move on.
Troll Control:
Obviously, the people who work there should want to help kids. If they don't, they have no business working there and shouldn't have been hired.
What I said was the problem with places like SCL is that the people working there are often not qualified to determine what is helpful and what is harmful. For the money that this place is raking in, I don't see it as far fetched that they should have qualified AND caring staff. If they paid an adequate wage, they would attract this type of employee.
I would say, though, that places like this DON'T want highly educated staff because the staff would then have legitimate concerns about the "treatment" modality. Having worked in two of these places, I can say from experience that they would rather have employees athat are easily controlled and who implement the program without question.
The rest of what you said needs clarification because I'm not sure what you're driving at. It seems more argumentative than anything else. I think it's fairly obvious that I, as a child advocate, don't believe people who hate children should be working with them and that JUST because one has an education it does not necessarily follow that they are a good fit.
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