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RMA staff I remember from RMA, you post yours from CEDU
Samara:
Surgical might be the wrong word. His data may not be precise and his arguments may not be precise, but his adopted demeanor is strategic. If you are a former program resident, you see the surgical mistakes. If you are just curious about programs, you may be diverted by the clinical persona.
Samara:
and #6 (sexualized aggression toward Anne) was directed to Danny, not Whooter. I was addressing Danny's defense of Whooter.
Ursus:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---But you are right about his sexualized aggression toward Anne. He obviously needs attention from a woman for whatever reason and he has seen a picture of Anne's bikini'ed backside which he has brought up several times. It's no stretch of the imagination to envision him sitting there at his desk furiously masturbating while looking at Anne's picture and degrading her on Fornits. He is definitely one seriously warped person. But you hit it on the head - it's aggressive and it's sexualized.
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I think Samara was referring to Danny Bennison's sexualized aggression towards Anne back there...
However, since you brought it up, I think you are also correct in your assessment of Whooter's preoccupation with Anne!
Ursus:
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--- Quote from: "Samara" ---First, Whooter, Anne has been consistent on these threads for the duration. You have not. Your strength is articulation and retaining a level of calm, which sometimes veers toward subtle contempt. Usually, you try to keep a lid on that because you are smart enough to know that levelheaded debate appears more credible to those who are inexperienced in these matters. But there are a lot of level headed sociopaths out there. They're calm because they don't care. They lack empathy.
The fact is, if you really are BFFs with Rudy Bentz, former CEDU power staff, it says a lot about you as a person. RB was cult guru and inculcated all at the same time. There are many people who would love to talk to him face to face.
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Thats classic, Samara. so now I am BFF's with Rudy Bentz? Where do you come up with this?
What if I said: "Samara I think that you are level headed and calm and I would believe what you say but if it is true that you have been convicted of sexual abuse and have worked as staff in several programs and been fired there are many people who would love to speak with you."
Its okay with you that we just make up theoretical conditions to discuss?
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Mmm... interesting.
Here are a few posts from the Rudy's new job thread, from about four-and-a-half years ago:
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Originally posted 05 Oct 2005 11:00:
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--- Quote ---On 2005-10-05 05:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
--- Quote ---On 2005-10-04 15:52:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You have no ide what you are talking about. I had the priveledge of being taught by Rudy for 3 years, though he was thought of to be harsh, he was usually dead on. It is a shame that more people didn't get to know him the way my peer group did. "
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what did he teach you? how to masturbate with a piece of liver and a milk carton? how to determine who has the smallest penis at the facility? these are some of his typical "lessons.""
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I dont think you expect anyone to believe that his typical daily lessons revolved around masturbation and measuring kids penis's? And of the thousands of kids he was exposed to and taught not one of them told their parents? All the kids passing through the programs accepted this as normal and didnt say anything?
If he did this to just one kid, he would be in jail so fast and his name would be on the front of every paper. Remember the publicity the teacher got for sleeping with her student (it was only one kid and he liked it) and it still got out? And you claim Rudy does this everyday with thousands of kids and not one has come forward and pressed charges? The first one who comes forward could get millions in settlement and retire at age 20.
Someone is yankin yer chain, me think, when they told you this or you just made it up.
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Originally posted 05 Oct 2005 16:30:
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--- Quote ---On 2005-10-05 14:47:00, Son Of Serbia wrote:
I knew Rudy Bentz when he worked at Cedu Running Springs. Guess what? I too remember hearing that sick fuck explain how he placed warm liver inside a milk carton with a hole cut on one side, and fucked it until the thing fell apart!
I also remember that Rudy would often publicly humiliate male students who he felt "were not working toward being part of the school." Rudy's favorite way of doing this involved calling the whole school's attention (usually right before raps) and announcing publicly which male students had the smallest dick.--Laughter and applause were also strongly encouraged.
On a personal note:
Rudy Bentz actually tried manhandling me once, but I was stronger than him, so instead he got slammed into a book shelf!
Rudy Bentz is a sick, abusive, pedophilic freak!
He's tormented hundreds (perhaps thousands)of children over his 30 career in the bullshit- emotional-growth-scam-industry, and yes he's truly every bit the monster that people make him out to be.
Seriously Troll, get a life already, and stop fronting like you know Rudy Bentz, because it's obvious you don't know shit!
[ This Message was edited by: Son Of Serbia on 2005-10-05 14:49 ]
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Well I actually knew Rudy, believe it or not and I have been involved as a parent when he was with Swift River Academy and what you are saying is far from the truth. Anyone who has been part of a program would tell you that if a kid was being ridiculed in front of the school the other kids would not be laughing and cheering. You just blew your case right there. The kids were good kids and would not enjoy seeing this happen (maybe thats what makes you different or what makes us disagree).
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Originally posted on 06 Oct 2005 09:32:
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--- Quote ---On 2005-10-06 05:35:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
--- Quote ---On 2005-10-05 14:47:00, Son Of Serbia wrote:
I knew Rudy Bentz when he worked at Cedu Running Springs. Guess what? I too remember hearing that sick fuck explain how he placed warm liver inside a milk carton with a hole cut on one side, and fucked it until the thing fell apart!
I also remember that Rudy would often publicly humiliate male students who he felt "were not working toward being part of the school." Rudy's favorite way of doing this involved calling the whole school's attention (usually right before raps) and announcing publicly which male students had the smallest dick.--Laughter and applause were also strongly encouraged.
On a personal note:
Rudy Bentz actually tried manhandling me once, but I was stronger than him, so instead he got slammed into a book shelf!
Rudy Bentz is a sick, abusive, pedophilic freak!
He's tormented hundreds (perhaps thousands)of children over his 30 career in the bullshit- emotional-growth-scam-industry, and yes he's truly every bit the monster that people make him out to be.
Seriously Troll, get a life already, and stop fronting like you know Rudy Bentz, because it's obvious you don't know shit!
[ This Message was edited by: Son Of Serbia on 2005-10-05 14:49 ]
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I'm afraid you just don't have a clue about which you speak, ma'am. You are disputing first-hand accounts from folks who have witnessed this behavior personally with what amounts to your "feelings" about Rudy or the "program." That simply doesn't hold water.
I worked with Rudy in 1994 and 1995 at Hidden Lake Academy and I too personally witnessed him saying EXACTLY THE SAME THINGS. I'm afraid your thinking about Rudy just doesn't measure up to reality. There are too many accounts separated temporally and spatially, but nearly identical, for any thinking person to dismiss them based on no evidence whatsover. You are off the mark, lady, way off.
The fact is that abusers have PATTERNS of abuse, and this disgusting, sexually suggestive and humiliating behavior is Rudy's pattern, whether you choose to accept it or not.
_________________
"Compassion is the basis of morality."
-Arnold Schopenhauer
[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2005-10-06 05:42 ]
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I saw a different Rudy than you did and my kid spent 16 months at the school he was at and never experienced anything even close to that, in fact just the opposite. These are also first hand accounts, Not saying you didnt see what you did, I guess people change as they grow and mature. I am definitely a different person than I was 10 or 15 years ago.
Sorry that you get so angry with people who disagree with you, doesnt mean you are wrong, just a different point of view.
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Originally posted on 06 Oct 2005 13:20:
--- Quote from: "TheWho" ---
--- Quote ---On 2005-10-06 11:50:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
--- Quote ---On 2005-10-06 09:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
--- Quote ---On 2005-10-06 05:35:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
--- Quote ---On 2005-10-05 14:47:00, Son Of Serbia wrote:
I knew Rudy Bentz when he worked at Cedu Running Springs. Guess what? I too remember hearing that sick fuck explain how he placed warm liver inside a milk carton with a hole cut on one side, and fucked it until the thing fell apart!
I also remember that Rudy would often publicly humiliate male students who he felt "were not working toward being part of the school." Rudy's favorite way of doing this involved calling the whole school's attention (usually right before raps) and announcing publicly which male students had the smallest dick.--Laughter and applause were also strongly encouraged.
On a personal note:
Rudy Bentz actually tried manhandling me once, but I was stronger than him, so instead he got slammed into a book shelf!
Rudy Bentz is a sick, abusive, pedophilic freak!
He's tormented hundreds (perhaps thousands)of children over his 30 career in the bullshit- emotional-growth-scam-industry, and yes he's truly every bit the monster that people make him out to be.
Seriously Troll, get a life already, and stop fronting like you know Rudy Bentz, because it's obvious you don't know shit!
[ This Message was edited by: Son Of Serbia on 2005-10-05 14:49 ]
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I'm afraid you just don't have a clue about which you speak, ma'am. You are disputing first-hand accounts from folks who have witnessed this behavior personally with what amounts to your "feelings" about Rudy or the "program." That simply doesn't hold water.
I worked with Rudy in 1994 and 1995 at Hidden Lake Academy and I too personally witnessed him saying EXACTLY THE SAME THINGS. I'm afraid your thinking about Rudy just doesn't measure up to reality. There are too many accounts separated temporally and spatially, but nearly identical, for any thinking person to dismiss them based on no evidence whatsover. You are off the mark, lady, way off.
The fact is that abusers have PATTERNS of abuse, and this disgusting, sexually suggestive and humiliating behavior is Rudy's pattern, whether you choose to accept it or not.
_________________
"Compassion is the basis of morality."
-Arnold Schopenhauer
[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2005-10-06 05:42 ]
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I saw a different Rudy than you did and my kid spent 16 months at the school he was at and never experienced anything even close to that, in fact just the opposite. These are also first hand accounts, Not saying you didnt see what you did, I guess people change as they grow and mature. I am definitely a different person than I was 10 or 15 years ago.
Sorry that you get so angry with people who disagree with you, doesnt mean you are wrong, just a different point of view.
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Me? Oh, I'm not angry. Sometimes I use capitals for emphasis, but I'm not angry.
Anyway, what's germane to the discussion is that your child went to the "program," but you didn't. I worked for years at two separate facilities, one with Mr. Bentz. I can tell you that what goes on behind closed doors is a far cry from what is available for public consumption.
The children are given harsh consequences for "bad mouthing" the program or the staff. I would bet that your kid would refrain from doing so while there and after he got out as well to avoid being sent back or not believed.
I think it's safe to say that I've had infinitely more personal contact with this man than you, or your kid, for that matter, have had. I have interacted with him in the context of the program and in the course of normal life outside of the facility. Let there be no doubt but that this man has some severe interpersonal problems to say the least.
I don't doubt for a second that he presented to you as a nice and caring person, but, honestly, you never even scratched the surface with him. I have heard a lot of stories from former staff and students over the years about his abuse, both verbal and physical, and I have seen it with my own two eyes. In fact, his outrageous and abusive behavior in the name of "therapy" is what ultimately caused me to leave the facility where I worked (not to mention the horrid revelations induced by a few scotches).
So, please, do continue to post your opinions/impressions, but be aware that you have little or no true knowledge or experience with this fellow, while some of us know exactly what he's all about...
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I am not saying I knew him more or less than anyone else. No one would really know him unless they were with him for his entire life. We all saw snap shots... me on and off for 16 months...my kid more so for 16 months...you saw him for the time you did and each of us formed an impression from our exposure. My kid is over 18 and isnt afraid to go back and talks openly about the good and bad. He might have held back his good side from you and his bad side from me, but over time your true side comes out and if its bad you will end up in jail eventually.
So, please, do continue to post your opinions/impressions, but be aware that we all have little or no true knowledge or experience with this fellow, while some of us feel we know exactly what he's all about we really dont
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Originally posted on 06 Oct 2005 15:34:
--- Quote from: "TheWho" ---
--- Quote ---On 2005-10-06 14:52:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
I'm sorry, but you're just plain wrong. You saw snapshots, I saw real-life up-close reality, and so did these other folks. You're head is in the sand.
What we're talking about here aren't normally "jailable" offenses, but rather a reflection of moral terpitude and lack of ethics.
Again, not everyone who deserves to be in jail ends up there. For instance, did you know that Rudy Bentz, while driving drunk, struck and killed a man with his vehicle? He's a vehicular manslaughterer (this is a proven fact admitted by Rudy many times over many years), yet he never went to jail.
So much for your "theory."
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He made a mistake and he paid for it. We discussed this in one of the groups we attended with my child, Rudy brought it up as an example of what drugs and alcohol can do to a persons life if left un checked. This just further proves that there are consequences to every action if it continues. Yes I saw snap shots as I mentioned, we all did. My kid was there 16 months, which you failed to read. So you condem everyone in N.A. and A.A. for their past mistakes, interesting, at least they are working on improving their lives and dealing with their past. People like you are the reason they have closed meetings,as they should, its hard enough for some people as it is without worrying where their story will end up.
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Samara:
Those posts Whooter wrote about RB's show how full of it he is. I attended Cedu during RB's tenure. So have others on this and other fora. I can attest to the veracity of these occurrences. I personally know people who went to CEDU before during and after my time who would verify this. (Several have in this forum as well.) I was fortunate he didn't emotionally terrorize me as much as others. (I'm a girl.) But these disclosures were COMMON amongst staff. Nothing was off limits... to disturbing, inappropriate details. In the RB case, right down to the contraption. For Whooter to deny all this - well. It shows exactly how ignorant or malevolent he is. Ignorant if fooled. Malevolent if lying.
How does Whooter propose we tell? The phones are locked in offices. We are in the mountains. Our calls and letters are monitored. It is their words against ours'.
In fact, I distinctly remember when asking my parents --when they came in person every three months for a few hours on campus--to release me from that place. I did not give them any details because I knew it would come back to haunt me if they refused. Not just a little bit, but severe emotional trauma via raps. I may as well wear a bull's eye.
After parent visits, some would waffle. Thus, parents' were reinculcated with the "deadinsaneorinjail" lie after the visit.
There are some funny stories about older students acting as tour guides to parents and the big BS show they were expected to give. Inside, they were screaming, "Run for Your Lives!"
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