Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS)
Press Briefing in DC
katfish:
Christine,
it's kat! It was so wonderful to meet you in DC, please e-mail me at katw@nyc.rr.com
as I don't have your contact info.
best,
kat
Antigen:
Well, yeah, but it's not just that w/ the pedegree of the funding that's rollin' in this year. And aren't there some education finance companies advertising to troubled parents on various industry websites?
Art Barker had his slice of Bobby DuPont's NIDA funding as far back as the very early `70's. This was a fulfilment of his stated objective to use public funding to spread the Synanon method accross the land. You must know, at least I hope you do, the pedegree of WWASP, CEDU, the Seed and Elan's "program", right? It's a synanon. Switch out the stage dressing; warehouse, boarding school, remote rustic campsite or some other scene. What you have left is a synanon.
When that funding was cut off, following Sam Ervin's report (yes, that Sam Ervin of Watergate fame) on the Federal Role in Behavior Modification explicitly comparing The Seed to Korean POW indoctrination, why they just went below the radar for a year or two, reincorporated under a new name and proceeded to launder their federal funding through Law Enforcement Assistance Agency.
They then proceeded to hand out ambassadorships and cabinet level appointments to their cronies who founded and ran Straight, Inc. once they'd already sacrificed their firstborn to The Seed. Not just the Semblers, either. Donald Ian MacDonald was just a local pediatrician till he put his son in the Program and landed up as Federal drug czar.
Do you (and your pals) get that? You're asking the Federal Government to regulate and legislate in an area where we're the apostates. Not saying you can't win. Just that, if you intend to win, you should brush up on the other team and their players and history.
My biggest worry about this whole thing is NOT the intentions behind it. It's that ya'll are bringing a knife to a gun fight and you're already predisposed to villainies anyone who tries to tip you off.
It is the absolute right of the state to supervise the formation of public opinion.
--Joseph Goebbels
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BuzzKill:
//My biggest worry about this whole thing is NOT the intentions behind it. It's that ya'll are bringing a knife to a gun fight and you're already predisposed to villainies anyone who tries to tip you off. //
Very good point. For my part, I don't villainies you for your well placed caution. I know you have a point. Even so, I can't help but feel this recent attention from people who can not justly be called clowns and wackos is a good thing.
And of corse the government screws up everything it sticks its hand in. Even so - there needs to be some rules and some force behind the rules holding these kinds of places accountable.
Its a farce to pretend the paying customer (the parents) can or will hold the programs accountable - or have any meaningful detrimental effect on their cruelties.
Yes, the powers that be are responsible for a lot of the problem. One can hope, they may come to see they were wrong. One can hope, even if they don't give a ratt's ass, they might decide it is in their best interest to jump ship - the tide turning an all, like it is. One can hope.
To get the tide to turn, we need to educate a lot more people; for which we need a lot more media attention; for which we need such folks as have taken an interest lately - So - again - one can hope.
chaking:
I can certainly understand your point of view... I, myself, have an extremely dim view of our government... But I believe what is being asked here, is not necessarily federal oversight, but money to go to individual states so that they may have the resources to "police" these programs themselves... I understand there are many ways that things could go sour very quickly, but what other option do we really have? I mean we sit here talking about these things until we're blue... But what are we aiming for? If we aren't aiming for oversight of some sort (most likely it would have to be sponsored by a state or feds) then what are we trying to do? With the regulation comes laws... It's those "rules" that are going to need to be scrutinized... but I believe looking for oversight is really the only first step...
We can shut down all the wwasps facilities and cedu and aspen and all that... but they will pop up everyday if there aren't laws... I don't know... but I'm fully behind it, becaus ein my opinion it is the only first step...
Plus I really believe in the good nature of the people involved... and even more so, the intelligence and "know-how" that they bring to the table...
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2005-10-23 20:42:00, BuzzKill wrote:
To get the tide to turn, we need to educate a lot more people; for which we need a lot more media attention; for which we need such folks as have taken an interest lately - So - again - one can hope.
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--Arthur C. Clarke, author
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