Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Hyde Schools
NOTICE TO POTENTIAL PARENTS
tommyfromhyde1:
--- Quote ---On 2005-11-08 13:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
My fear is that someone is going to be seriously injured one day at this school, but at that point it will be too late and someone could die. "
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Anon, that almost happened during Summer School in '76 on one of Mr. Warren's infamous dory trips. I was there. On our second day of rowing around Penobscot Bay a Coast Guard cutter hailed the "safety boat" and told the faculty aboard that there was an incoming tropical storm and that we had to get to land NOW. I think that the faculty had to be threatened with arrest before they agreed to bring us into shore. Then the storm hit (downgraded to a gale by that time I think).
science is the record of dead religions.
--Oscar Wilde
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Anonymous:
I bet things were a lot worse in your day Tommy!
My belief is that Hyde has had to make some changes because there was pressure put on them. When I was there, Social Services or maybe it was Childrens Services was hanging around the school. No one would talk about it, but there was definitely something going on, and the administrators looked pretty frazzled. I even saw the State Police coming around at that time. It could have had something to do with that whole incident with the sexual assault with Dubinsky. I don't know for sure am not certain.
Hyde usually will make some subtle changes for a while, but good old Joe Gauld still runs the show and we know what that means!! :scared:
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-11-08 14:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I bet things were a lot worse in your day Tommy!
My belief is that Hyde has had to make some changes because there was pressure put on them. When I was there, Social Services or maybe it was Childrens Services was hanging around the school. No one would talk about it, but there was definitely something going on, and the administrators looked pretty frazzled. I even saw the State Police coming around at that time. It could have had something to do with that whole incident with the sexual assault with Dubinsky. I don't know for sure am not certain.
Hyde usually will make some subtle changes for a while, but good old Joe Gauld still runs the show and we know what that means!! :scared: "
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The Hyde staff are masterful when it comes to confronting students and parents about exposing the unpleasant truths in their lives. Hyde staff are equally masterful at covering up their own truths when it suits their purposes, i.e., when there is information circulating about teacher abuse of students, inferior teaching, staff with inadequate training and skills to facilitate FLCs, attrition rates at the school, inadequate services to students with serious emotional problems, graduation rates, and so on. Joe Gauld and company can talk all they want about students' and parents' obligation to favor "truth over harmony." This cliche will continue to be COMPLETELY empty and hypocritical until Hyde comes clean with its own very, very dirty laundry.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-11-08 11:48:00, Antigen wrote:
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On 2005-11-08 00:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
So now its your turn Antigen. Tell us about you and your intentions here. I at least went to Hyde!
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Rampant talking out in group. I've said it over and over again. These cults simply can't exist w/o strict controls on communication; among current memebers as well as between current and former members and the public in general.
You may have a technical point on whether or not a private school may set limits on what a student or other may say while involved. However, I dare you to try and defend they ways in which they respond. I think they can kick a kid out, suspend them, give them detention or some other sanction. But force them to move a huge pile of sticks from one spot to the other and back again? No, I don't think that would pass public scrutiny. Hold them up to ridicule and humiliation in an assembly setting? Nope, verbal assault if you get right down to it.
I understand that YOU think this is all perfectly defensible and explainable. But just put it out there in public and see if it stands up.
It only takes a little prescience to understand that we're all fair game for the deeds we condone.
--Antigen
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Still deflection by the mistress of distress. Why did you quote me if you weren't going to respond.
And yes, I think moving sticks from A to B and back again, in certain contexts, is totally defensible.
Here's what happened for me: I was a stubborn, strong-willed kid with no clue about feelings or living my life by a moral code, or simply acting responsibly. Those who knew me expected me to be dead or in jail by 20.
Moving logs wore out my body and forced me to look within. It was painful. It was excruciating at times. I couldn't understand it. I was confused and lost.
And every day, sometimes every other, someone from the staff would come and talk with me, or call me to their office, and I would tell them what I was thinking about. And sometimes they would send me back out to move logs again, and I would kick and scream and get pissed and lash out and lash in.
But sometimes they would praise me and say I was on to something and to think more about whatever it was and come back and report again.
In the end, something fairly profound happened to me. I discovered the within. I discovered my feelings. I got in touch with how lonely I was in my family and in the world. And slowly but sure I started the healing work from my family of origin.
Many programs....from Outward Bound to the military (not that the military is the best example)....work on similar concepts.
What I can tell you that as a result of moving logs (for a very short time in my life), I believe I am stronger person than I ever would have been if the system was set up to let me say whatever I wanted, to get high all the time, to lie cheat and steal, and to screw up the rest of my life.
I should note that my guess is that when I was there, more than 1/2 of the school never experienced 2-4 or anything like that. Or if they did it was for one day or something minimal.
Antigen, I have read about how the Seeds program worked, and because everyone here is posting about the bad, I think it would be easy for you to think they were the same. I don't think they were.
And I also think that you owe it to us to tell us your story.
Turnabout is fair-play after all. :smile:
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-11-08 13:26:00, tommyfromhyde1 wrote:
"I think that the faculty had to be threatened with arrest before they agreed to bring us into shore."
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How authorative. (And how beautiful the web where you can put something out there without really being sure, but close enough to make it look bad.)
Well when I was at Hyde I *think* they made sure to tell the Coast Guard about their trips so they would be on the radar should something happen.
Gee, maybe that's why the Coast Guard came over to alert the "faculty" on one of "Mr. Warren's" trips.
Nah, couldn't be. Its the wild west up there, where kids (and presumably their own) lives are disposable.
What was I thinking.
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