Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Hyde Schools
NOTICE TO POTENTIAL PARENTS
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2005-11-08 17:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
Antigen, I have read about how the Seeds program worked, and because everyone here is posting about the bad, I think it would be easy for you to think they were the same. I don't think they were.
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No, that's exactly how they worked. They'd break you down through various physical, mental and emotional stress techniques till you came to believe what they wanted you to believe about yourself. They'd keep you guessing till you figured it out then give you all sorts of stokes and priviledges for coming to their realization.
Same shit, slightly different wrapper. At least you got to play sports w/ other schools.
Bigot: One fanatically devoted to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and intolerant of those who differ.
Webster's
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Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-11-08 19:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-11-08 13:26:00, tommyfromhyde1 wrote:
"I think that the faculty had to be threatened with arrest before they agreed to bring us into shore."
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How authorative. (And how beautiful the web where you can put something out there without really being sure, but close enough to make it look bad.)
Well when I was at Hyde I *think* they made sure to tell the Coast Guard about their trips so they would be on the radar should something happen.
Gee, maybe that's why the Coast Guard came over to alert the "faculty" on one of "Mr. Warren's" trips.
Nah, couldn't be. Its the wild west up there, where kids (and presumably their own) lives are disposable.
What was I thinking."
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To the Anonymous who wrote the above. I REALLY wouldn't "go there." For every one time that Hyde might have done something responsible, there are five times they did something irresponsible and down right dangerous!! That is an argument you DONT want to have! You are looking for negatives to come out on this board when you open that can of worms!!
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---Same shit, slightly different wrapper. At least you got to play sports w/ other schools.
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Too funny. That one actually made me laugh. I'm glad that you have a sense of humor, Antigen. :smile:
Anyway, I get most of your points. Personally, I think I needed some breaking down. I think a lot of people need some breaking down. Nothing was going to get through to me without that happening first, so it just worked for me in a lot of ways.
That said, I have seen enough in my life to know it doesn't work and/or isn't appropriate for everyone.
I can also be accomplished with varying degrees of compassion and conscious intention, and I think I attracted more of those types to my life. Without these mentors, I can guess that my experience would have been completely different.
Anonymous:
--- Quote --- To the Anonymous who wrote the above. I REALLY wouldn't "go there." For every one time that Hyde might have done something responsible, there are five times they did something irresponsible and down right dangerous!! That is an argument you DONT want to have! You are looking for negatives to come out on this board when you open that can of worms!!"
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Its not about what happened or didn't Anonymous, its about people posting on stuff they don't know about that irks me. Some recent examples include (and I paraphrase):
The Gaulds are rich and funnelling money from the school, just do a "dunn" and bradstreet.
Hyde had a legal obligation to report a rape and didn't.
Hyde uses LGATs and those have been proven invalid by a NIH study.
Students in private schools in Maine have free speech rights.
And then there are a lot of "I think" as in, "I think" the faculty had to be threatened with arrest before they would turn their dory around, or do something that the Coast Guard was telling the to do.
My guess on this last one? It was VERY scary for the students in the boats to learn a storm was coming, and so everyone's anxiety spiked. And more than likely the faculty responded promptly and professionally, if for no other reason that to save their own damn life.
But if he didn't do that, then tell us what you witnessed first hand, not what you heard five monkeys down the high-school-whispering line, in a situation where everyone's anxiety was already spiking.
Look y'all, I don't challenge you because I doubt that there were situations where students were put at greater risk than was appropriate. I lived through one where a student came within inches of his death through the recklessness of the faculty.
What I am a stickler for, however, is the truth, and yes, I dissect the written word because while I am a supporter of Hyde, I also won't quibble with real facts.....but will definitely jump all over gossip, innuendo and provable mistruths, because use of the internet is a great tool for causing damage to peoples lives and reputations all anonymously and sometimes even telling the "truth", even if that truth is slippery. (Not to mention that it also pretty much kills any credibility a poster has and since everyone here pretty much goes by anonymous even if they could have an anonymous alias so as to track who said what and have real conversations, it thus also damages the credibility of the site as well.)
Let me give you an example of what all this means for me. I am card-carrying liberal. A Democrat for most of my life. And I was outraged in the last 8 years at all the emails I got from Republicans which I could prove wrong, invalid or dishonest with a very simple websearch.
One day it dawned on me that I was partaking in forwarding a lot of democratic information that validity of which I hadn't checked. And so I started checking, and I found the dems were just as bad (well, not entirely, but of course that my bias!), and I left the democratic party as a result.
I realized that there were these two machines out there that lived to smear each other....and they could do that extremely well with gossip, innuendo and lies that played into what people already believed and/or wanted to hear.
I think this site suffers from a lot of the same problem. There's a lot of back-slapping and praise for the most outrageous stories, and somehow it looks like people get off on being validated for that. But really, how many of you are critical of the others on here you think have the same views?
I have to say, I've seen nary a challenge among the ranks. Instead, I am the lightning rod and the backslapping goes on.
I would think that should make at least some of you suspicious about the quality of information that gets posted here.
And the fact that I don't see it invokes notions of everything from Lord of the Flies to To Kill a Mockingbird.
Where is the critical thought folks?
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-11-09 00:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
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--- Quote --- To the Anonymous who wrote the above. I REALLY wouldn't "go there." For every one time that Hyde might have done something responsible, there are five times they did something irresponsible and down right dangerous!! That is an argument you DONT want to have! You are looking for negatives to come out on this board when you open that can of worms!!"
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Its not about what happened or didn't Anonymous, its about people posting on stuff they don't know about that irks me. Some recent examples include (and I paraphrase):
The Gaulds are rich and funnelling money from the school, just do a "dunn" and bradstreet.
Hyde had a legal obligation to report a rape and didn't.
Hyde uses LGATs and those have been proven invalid by a NIH study.
Students in private schools in Maine have free speech rights.
And then there are a lot of "I think" as in, "I think" the faculty had to be threatened with arrest before they would turn their dory around, or do something that the Coast Guard was telling the to do.
My guess on this last one? It was VERY scary for the students in the boats to learn a storm was coming, and so everyone's anxiety spiked. And more than likely the faculty responded promptly and professionally, if for no other reason that to save their own damn life.
But if he didn't do that, then tell us what you witnessed first hand, not what you heard five monkeys down the high-school-whispering line, in a situation where everyone's anxiety was already spiking.
Look y'all, I don't challenge you because I doubt that there were situations where students were put at greater risk than was appropriate. I lived through one where a student came within inches of his death through the recklessness of the faculty.
What I am a stickler for, however, is the truth, and yes, I dissect the written word because while I am a supporter of Hyde, I also won't quibble with real facts.....but will definitely jump all over gossip, innuendo and provable mistruths, because use of the internet is a great tool for causing damage to peoples lives and reputations all anonymously and sometimes even telling the "truth", even if that truth is slippery. (Not to mention that it also pretty much kills any credibility a poster has and since everyone here pretty much goes by anonymous even if they could have an anonymous alias so as to track who said what and have real conversations, it thus also damages the credibility of the site as well.)
Let me give you an example of what all this means for me. I am card-carrying liberal. A Democrat for most of my life. And I was outraged in the last 8 years at all the emails I got from Republicans which I could prove wrong, invalid or dishonest with a very simple websearch.
One day it dawned on me that I was partaking in forwarding a lot of democratic information that validity of which I hadn't checked. And so I started checking, and I found the dems were just as bad (well, not entirely, but of course that my bias!), and I left the democratic party as a result.
I realized that there were these two machines out there that lived to smear each other....and they could do that extremely well with gossip, innuendo and lies that played into what people already believed and/or wanted to hear.
I think this site suffers from a lot of the same problem. There's a lot of back-slapping and praise for the most outrageous stories, and somehow it looks like people get off on being validated for that. But really, how many of you are critical of the others on here you think have the same views?
I have to say, I've seen nary a challenge among the ranks. Instead, I am the lightning rod and the backslapping goes on.
I would think that should make at least some of you suspicious about the quality of information that gets posted here.
And the fact that I don't see it invokes notions of everything from Lord of the Flies to To Kill a Mockingbird.
Where is the critical thought folks?"
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Here's the plain, unvarnished truth, as I see it:
1. Some Hyde students and parents (current and former) appreciate their Hyde experience and feel as if they've gained from the experience (see HydeFan comments).
2. Some Hyde faculty and staff are earnest, caring, and dedicated.
3. Many Hyde students, parents, and alumni (students and parents) have encountered some Hyde faculty and staff who are abusive, unskilled, unprepared, and ill equipped to provide quality education, constructive supervision, and skillful handling of students' and parents' emotional issues.
4. Some of Hyde's practices are unethical and abusive. Some Hyde faculty and staff behavior is very destructive and hypocritical.
5. Hyde has not been sufficiently forthcoming about these inappropriate, unethical, and hypocritical practices. Hyde has kept some of these serious problems very quiet.
6. There is more ill will expressed about Hyde than about nearly all other boarding schools. Some of the criticism is unwarranted and not thoughtful. Most of the criticism is warranted and thoughtful. This is noteworthy and evidence of serious problems at Hyde.
7. Parents who are considering Hyde should consider all of the postings on this and other websites and decide for themselves whether Hyde is a constructive environment.
8. In my opinion, the negatives at Hyde far outweigh the positives. Parents and educational consultants should not refer kids to Hyde.
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