Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Hyde Schools
NOTICE TO POTENTIAL PARENTS
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-11-07 15:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-11-07 13:16:00, Anonymous wrote:
"+I have posted my history fairly extensively. Look it up. I am just a former student who interned there later....and that's a lot more info than the non-info you repeated fail to provide! Why are you a drug war POW?
++Um, empathetic actually is a word that you can find in virtually any dictionary, pre-dates synanon or whatever the program is called, and most psychologists would say that empathy is the cornerstone of a relationship. I was using it in response to one of the dissenters using it. Do you have a real point there, because you kind of lost me!
++As for as I can tell, you are totally wrong about the law and free speech at private schools in Maine. See my posts above that state very clearly why they don't and let me know if you come up with a reference other than your unsupported assertion to the contrary.
(The other comments would take all day. These were the low hanging fruit.)
Have a good one.
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So you have no affiliation to Hyde anymore? Are you practicing TRUTH??? Maybe leaving out a little bit of the facts on yourself?
As far as you being stuck on kids not being able to have the same rights as adults, I really don't know because I am not going to spend two hours looking up the law. What I don't understand about you is that Hyde teaches something you are very familiar with, which is "truth over harmony." We are taught at Hyde to speak up and speak the truth. What you are saying is that kids don't have the right to speak about certain things. Isn't this a little hypocritical? I am sure you will come up with some excuse for talking out of both sides of your mouth. Hyde can't have it both ways, which is what you are advocating!"
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Here's a simple, straightforward implementation of Hyde's principle of "truth over harmony": If anyone -- parent or student -- wants to voice critical opinions about Hyde that are truthful (not deliberate lies or misrepresentation) they should express those views, even at the risk of creating some disharmony (e.g., upsetting people at Hyde, reducing admissions and revenue when people leave Hyde or look elsewhere).
People who criticize Hyde should do so responsibly and truthfully. That's living up to Hyde's principle of truth over harmony. ANY effort on Hyde's part to stifle anyone's responsible and truthful expression of opinion -- positive or critical -- is hypocritical.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-11-07 14:01:00, Antigen wrote:
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On 2005-11-07 13:16:00, Anonymous wrote:
(The other comments would take all day. These were the low hanging fruit.)
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Just one. What is your intent here, if not to influence the decisions of prospective marks?
A Freudian slip is when you say one thing but mean your mother.
--Anonymous
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I have never hidden my intent here (that's why the heading of this stream is NOTICE TO POTENTIAL PARENTS). In fact, for the most part I have stayed off other streams (not entirely, but almost), and kept to MY TOPIC that I started. (And that this is so threatening to many folks here I think says something about who is on this board.)
Still, if you want something more direct, my intent here is to (a) (first and foremost) influence prospective students and families by providing an alternative view and correcting blatant mistruths, and (b) to a much lesser degree, to explore the extent Hyde may have been abusive to some.
The problem with the latter part is that its impossible to take people's statements on their face. Denial can last a life-time. If you don't know the back-story, I would argue there is a good chance you don't know the most important part of the story.
Same could be said of me. If you don't know the back story, you don't know why Hyde was good for me and my family.
So instead we all converse at a more superficial level of what's good and evil, instead of what was really going on with a particular student and his/her family. That of course is not really good fodder for the internet nor would any rational person expose him/herself for that sort of debate, whatever their experience.
Hence this is a perfect forum for casting (anonymous) aspursions, insults and complete fabrications. Of course, its also good for catharsis for those who may have really suffered inappropriately at Hyde.
But hopefully no one mistakes any of this for reality.
So now its your turn Antigen. Tell us about you and your intentions here. I at least went to Hyde!
Anonymous:
--- Quote --- So you have no affiliation to Hyde anymore? Are you practicing TRUTH??? Maybe leaving out a little bit of the facts on yourself?
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This is almost comical. Well, I don't practice truth, I seek it. And yes, I have no affiliation with Hyde other than as an alum.
--- Quote ---As far as you being stuck on kids not being able to have the same rights as adults, I really don't know because I am not going to spend two hours looking up the law.
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As much as you may want to think this is all about you, well, its not. It was Antigen and some others who proclaimed that students in private schools in Maine have legal free speech rights, and so as hard as this may be to follow, it is to them that my comments were directed.
My position is, if you are going to make something up, at least make something up people can't research and easily show that you appear to be talking out of the wrong orifice.
--- Quote ---What I don't understand about you is that Hyde teaches something you are very familiar with, which is "truth over harmony." We are taught at Hyde to speak up and speak the truth. What you are saying is that kids don't have the right to speak about certain things. Isn't this a little hypocritical? I am sure you will come up with some excuse for talking out of both sides of your mouth. Hyde can't have it both ways, which is what you are advocating!"
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I never heard the expression truth over harmony at Hyde, but I think it probably fits--just not in the superficial way you are interpreting it.
Before I get there, I will say I see no hypocracy in challenging the attitude behind any speech. Many of you here seem seriously confused by this, but this isn't about free speech, legally or morally. You can say whatever you want at Hyde (at least when I was there), but you will also be held accountable for what you say at Hyde!
Much of what anyone says in life is a reflection of beliefs and attitudes. Kids and families are at Hyde because they are in trouble. Hyde's approach is to get into the underlying beliefs and attitudes. You can call it tough love, you can call it what you want, but I found it open, honest, and refreshing.
To state it another way, I think where we differ is what truth we are talking about. There is the child's "truth", and then there is Hyde's "truth" about what is going on for that kid and his/her family. If they really use the expression truth over harmony, my guess is it is the latter about which they are talking.
And if you don't like trusting other people with providing that level of input into your lives with the sincere intentions of challenging yours and hopefully making it a LOT better, go someplace else.
Hyde isn't for everyone, but I am damn glad that this school exists because I know of few other places on the planet that seek the truth with such diligence and integrity.
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2005-11-08 00:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
So now its your turn Antigen. Tell us about you and your intentions here. I at least went to Hyde!
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Rampant talking out in group. I've said it over and over again. These cults simply can't exist w/o strict controls on communication; among current memebers as well as between current and former members and the public in general.
You may have a technical point on whether or not a private school may set limits on what a student or other may say while involved. However, I dare you to try and defend they ways in which they respond. I think they can kick a kid out, suspend them, give them detention or some other sanction. But force them to move a huge pile of sticks from one spot to the other and back again? No, I don't think that would pass public scrutiny. Hold them up to ridicule and humiliation in an assembly setting? Nope, verbal assault if you get right down to it.
I understand that YOU think this is all perfectly defensible and explainable. But just put it out there in public and see if it stands up.
It only takes a little prescience to understand that we're all fair game for the deeds we condone.
--Antigen
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Anonymous:
Antigen, Hyde thinks nothing of public humiliation, neglect of a minors social and physical needs, or many other abuses. Hyde has rules and regulations that you will never see in another private or public school. I went there and I KNOW!!
Of course the fans of Hyde will defend this by saying that Hyde did not have a LEGAL obligation to report different abuses, and they might be right, but what about a moral obligation? I would hope that Hyde would act more responsible and honor the obligations they have to protect the kids who are in their care.
In my estimation Hyde has no morals or values in spite of all their preaching Truth, Humility, Honesty, and so on. I saw it first hand and although I will not go into every single detail, many are covered on some of these posts.
My fear is that someone is going to be seriously injured one day at this school, but at that point it will be too late and someone could die.
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