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« Reply #45 on: September 27, 2005, 12:32:00 AM »
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All TEEN HURT programs are bad, this is true.



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I agree, any program with the word HURT in it cant be good, TEEN HURT, PEOPLE HURT, DOG HURT, Would never do it.
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« Reply #46 on: September 27, 2005, 12:34:00 AM »
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Uh .... maybe the parent could escort their own child to the private prison (emotional growth school) instead of hiring a couple of over-weight cops and/or moonlighting probation officers to do THEIR DIRTY WORK FOR THEM.





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Uh... It might be that the child can overcome the restraint of the parent, could be a single parent household (90lb mom, 200 lb child), could be the parents are abused by the child, Chronic runaway etc.

Why would it matter if the excorts had a weight problem or moonlighting?  Not sure I follow your thinking on that one.





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Here we go again, the poor-woes-me parent making excuses for paying a couple of big, burly strangers to show their adult-size kid who's boss.

Wow, must be a thrill to watch your kid get taken down and hauled off into the middle of the night, bound for some lock-down program hundreds of miles away.

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« Reply #47 on: September 27, 2005, 12:38:00 AM »
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All TEEN HURT programs are bad, this is true.





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« Reply #48 on: September 27, 2005, 12:44:00 AM »
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 The only reason this can be done at all is because the victim is a minor and lacks legal protection. Do this to an adult and it is a serious crime. Yet, I am certain that there are as many 'at risk' adults as there are teenagers. The only reason these programs don't exist for adults is because they can't force adults into them.




Exactly -- An "at risk" child can be forced to receive services to protect the child from making poor choices.  Once you become an adult you are responsible for yourself.  There are services for adults but most people (and kids) dont recongnize they are at risk, there needs to be an intervention of some sort to get adults help and even at that level they have to sign themselve in.  So if no one goes to adult programs they become fewer and fewer until there are very few left.  The only reason why so many programs exist for children is because the parents have the authority to ensure that their children get the help they need.
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« Reply #49 on: September 27, 2005, 12:44:00 AM »
Anybody ever notice when they show these kidnappings on television, there's always some momster mom in the shadows wiping her eyes ... tearfully telling her big, bad teen that someday, he/she will thank her?

Sure, maybe as a condition for earning the privilege to go to the bathroom alone, a kid might tell or write their parent a thank-you letter.

Dear Mom,

Thanks for hiring those nice, friendly escorts to take me to a place where if I look out the window, I might end up on OP.  This toughlove regimen is just what I needed to get over my "crap".  Speaking of crap, did I tell you I haven't had a BM in two weeks?  Wonder if it's the food?  I haven't had any lately.

Extreme?  You be the judge.

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« Reply #50 on: September 27, 2005, 12:52:00 AM »
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Yeah, but you would put your kid in a TEEN HELP kinda program, now wouldn't ya?  LOL ... beware of teen helpers with a "calling" to help kids. It's not your kid they are interested in.  It's your bank account.



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Yes the word HELP is good, SELF HELP, TEEN HELP.  Every program should be checked out, talk to people who have been there etc.  If its a SELF HELP book, ask people who have read it.
Always remember,whether its a car dealer, or a drug dealer they wont offer information on how many times its been stepped on, they are only interested in YOUR MONEY.
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« Reply #51 on: September 27, 2005, 01:04:00 AM »
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Here we go again, the poor-woes-me parent making excuses for paying a couple of big, burly strangers to show their adult-size kid who's boss.



Wow, must be a thrill to watch your kid get taken down and hauled off into the middle of the night, bound for some lock-down program hundreds of miles away.



 :roll:

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Again -- Why does it matter so much if it is a couple of big, burly parents, with weight problems showing their adult-size kid whos boss, or someone you hire, who cares?  
The whole point is moving the child from point A to point B.  I am sure there are people that enjoy watching this happen, there are all kinds of sickos out there believe me.
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« Reply #52 on: September 27, 2005, 02:00:00 AM »
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On 2005-09-26 22:04:00, Anonymous wrote:

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Here we go again, the poor-woes-me parent making excuses for paying a couple of big, burly strangers to show their adult-size kid who's boss.





Wow, must be a thrill to watch your kid get taken down and hauled off into the middle of the night, bound for some lock-down program hundreds of miles away.





 :roll:


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Again -- Why does it matter so much if it is a couple of big, burly parents, with weight problems showing their adult-size kid whos boss, or someone you hire, who cares?  

The whole point is moving the child from point A to point B.  I am sure there are people that enjoy watching this happen, there are all kinds of sickos out there believe me.



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Pay attention, anon.  We are talking about struggling parents and why they fall hook, line and sinker for expensive programs that hurt their kids, not help them.

Parents who hire transporters to force their kids into a special purpose (nice word for COERCIVE behavior modification) school, camp or program are no better than the creeps who make a living stealing kids out of their beds.

In fact, they are probably worse.  At least the kidnappers can claim they are only doing the job the parents CONTRACTED with them to do.

The parent has no excuse, except to repeat the same ole' tired mantra ... we did it to save our good child from making bad choices.

Why they believe this justifies their actions says more about their "troubled" and/or disordered personalities than it does their child.

In short, these are sick parents who believe the end justifies the means.

Hopefully their kid is kidnapped in a state that has laws to protect them from injury while under transport.  Most states do not.

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« Reply #53 on: September 27, 2005, 07:15:00 AM »
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 The only reason this can be done at all is because the victim is a minor and lacks legal protection. Do this to an adult and it is a serious crime. Yet, I am certain that there are as many 'at risk' adults as there are teenagers. The only reason these programs don't exist for adults is because they can't force adults into them.







Exactly -- An "at risk" child can be forced to receive services to protect the child from making poor choices.  Once you become an adult you are responsible for yourself.  There are services for adults but most people (and kids) dont recongnize they are at risk, there needs to be an intervention of some sort to get adults help and even at that level they have to sign themselve in.  So if no one goes to adult programs they become fewer and fewer until there are very few left.  The only reason why so many programs exist for children is because the parents have the authority to ensure that their children get the help they need."


Kidnapping is not a valid intervention, it's kidnapping. Being abducted is a terrifying experience and nothing short of abuse.

A child making 'poor choices' still does not deserve to be abused.

There are valid ways of dealing with teenagers behavior issues. Kidnapping them and hauling them away to a private prison where they are treated in an inhumane and cruel way is not one of them.
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« Reply #54 on: September 27, 2005, 07:43:00 AM »
The escorts that took my kid to his program were the first people he respected in years! He fought and tried to escape, but the calm insistence (no restraints without our permission) of the escorts and their discussions with him through the travel day were the beginning of his realizing exactly what he had been doing to himself.  
There is no way that hiring someone to do what you are unable to physically do yourself is kidnapping. Yes-it is a horror for the teen to be awakened by these strangers. It is frightening and unnatural. Guess what? So was the last year, months- whatever-for the rest of the family!
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« Reply #55 on: September 27, 2005, 07:54:00 AM »
These parents are easy marks because:
 
 1. They are in a state of panic. They feel they have no choice. They are willing to try anything; even dangerous things.
 Their judgement is clouded.

 2. Faulty logic. They fall for the rationale behind the tough love approach; break them down and build them up.

 3. Faulty logic, again. They listen to Dr. Phil and Dr. Oprah and believe they are witnessing scientifically valid therapy.

 4. They do no real research. If they did, they would find the faults with number 2 and 3 quickly. If they did the research, they would find sites like this one. Instead, they listen to ed-cons and program parents.

 5. Faulty logic, yet again. If they do any research at all, they choose to ignore the warnings about these programs and choose to believe that the naysayers are all disgruntled teenagers who are lying. They ignore the very real logic that if there is any doubt whatsoever, the program is not a valid candidate. They choose to ignore the negative press, blaming the press instead of evaluating the issues being reported.

 6. They have failed at parenting and are now passing the buck. Giving up and passing the buck is just one more failing. They have probably tried everything and claim it did not work. There are dozens of books on parenting written by unqualified hacks that claim to reveal the 'secret' to good parenting. These books are filled with bad advice. They tried these things, half-heartedly and failed. They blame the book instead of themselves.

 7. They say therapy failed, when in fact, they never heeded the therapist's instructions or only half-heartedly tried.

 8. They believe they are doing the right thing for the teen, and that they have the right to do this. They view their kids as property. They falsely believe they can control another individual, and have a right to.

 9. They have more money than brains. They buy a solution.

 10. Basically, as all of the above suggest, they are gullible. They have fallen for a scam just like those poor saps who send money to Nigeria in the hopes of getting millions in return; like those people that buy into those get rich fast programs they sell on infomercials on TV.

 I don't blame the parents. I think they are desperate and grasping at straws to 'save' their teenager. They are ripe to buy into any solution that can be sold to them. The people who sell these programs are the real criminals. They know exactly what they doing and how to get rich at it. Not only are they capable of selling these programs to desperate parents, but they sell the tough love concept to a non-thinking society, and to public officials that use the slogans to support their offices. They are cold, cynical, and sadistic.

 The sad part is that the teenagers are the victims. First they are the victims of abusive and/or incompetent parents, then they are the victims of the programs. They have no rights, no recourse, no voice. Many are too young and naive to even understand how wrong the whole game is and they, like their parents, are gullible and come to believe that it is all their fault and the programs are right.
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« Reply #56 on: September 27, 2005, 08:06:00 AM »
Atomic Ant- I must have missed the post where you listed your credentials.  You know, the ones that would allow you to opine that all the parents who rely on programs are terrible and abusive parents. I am so envious of your crystal ball that permitted you to know so much about every family.
Actually, you are blowing all this crap out your ass, but that seems to be the requirement for many posters on this board.
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« Reply #57 on: September 27, 2005, 08:06:00 AM »
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On 2005-09-27 04:43:00, Anonymous wrote:

"The escorts that took my kid to his program were the first people he respected in years! He fought and tried to escape, but the calm insistence (no restraints without our permission) of the escorts and their discussions with him through the travel day were the beginning of his realizing exactly what he had been doing to himself.  

There is no way that hiring someone to do what you are unable to physically do yourself is kidnapping. Yes-it is a horror for the teen to be awakened by these strangers. It is frightening and unnatural. Guess what? So was the last year, months- whatever-for the rest of the family!  "


Wow, parents under seige, held captive by their defiant, manipulative, tatooed, pierced teenagers.  This is scary stuff.  

Wait!

Kidnappers R Us is available 24/7 to seize even the most unruly teens and get them to a private lock down facility of your choice.

They even let parents watch (assuming the parent can get off their lazy ass at 3 am in the morning which is the usual time kids are ambushed by these abductors-for-hire).

What a deal!  In just a matter of hours you can make your kid disappear for months, even years.

Only catch is you got have zero conscious and 3 thousand dollars (credit cards accepted!).

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« Reply #58 on: September 27, 2005, 08:14:00 AM »
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On 2005-09-27 04:54:00, AtomicAnt wrote:

"These parents are easy marks because:

 

 1. They are in a state of panic. They feel they have no choice. They are willing to try anything; even dangerous things.

 Their judgement is clouded.



 2. Faulty logic. They fall for the rationale behind the tough love approach; break them down and build them up.



 3. Faulty logic, again. They listen to Dr. Phil and Dr. Oprah and believe they are witnessing scientifically valid therapy.



 4. They do no real research. If they did, they would find the faults with number 2 and 3 quickly. If they did the research, they would find sites like this one. Instead, they listen to ed-cons and program parents.



 5. Faulty logic, yet again. If they do any research at all, they choose to ignore the warnings about these programs and choose to believe that the naysayers are all disgruntled teenagers who are lying. They ignore the very real logic that if there is any doubt whatsoever, the program is not a valid candidate. They choose to ignore the negative press, blaming the press instead of evaluating the issues being reported.



 6. They have failed at parenting and are now passing the buck. Giving up and passing the buck is just one more failing. They have probably tried everything and claim it did not work. There are dozens of books on parenting written by unqualified hacks that claim to reveal the 'secret' to good parenting. These books are filled with bad advice. They tried these things, half-heartedly and failed. They blame the book instead of themselves.



 7. They say therapy failed, when in fact, they never heeded the therapist's instructions or only half-heartedly tried.



 8. They believe they are doing the right thing for the teen, and that they have the right to do this. They view their kids as property. They falsely believe they can control another individual, and have a right to.



 9. They have more money than brains. They buy a solution.



 10. Basically, as all of the above suggest, they are gullible. They have fallen for a scam just like those poor saps who send money to Nigeria in the hopes of getting millions in return; like those people that buy into those get rich fast programs they sell on infomercials on TV.



 I don't blame the parents. I think they are desperate and grasping at straws to 'save' their teenager. They are ripe to buy into any solution that can be sold to them. The people who sell these programs are the real criminals. They know exactly what they doing and how to get rich at it. Not only are they capable of selling these programs to desperate parents, but they sell the tough love concept to a non-thinking society, and to public officials that use the slogans to support their offices. They are cold, cynical, and sadistic.



 The sad part is that the teenagers are the victims. First they are the victims of abusive and/or incompetent parents, then they are the victims of the programs. They have no rights, no recourse, no voice. Many are too young and naive to even understand how wrong the whole game is and they, like their parents, are gullible and come to believe that it is all their fault and the programs are right."


Excellent!  And yes, it is sad how the children are the ones who pay the biggest price for being the child of a "Struggling Parent".

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« Reply #59 on: September 27, 2005, 08:22:00 AM »
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On 2005-09-27 04:43:00, Anonymous wrote:

"The escorts that took my kid to his program were the first people he respected in years! He fought and tried to escape, but the calm insistence (no restraints without our permission) of the escorts and their discussions with him through the travel day were the beginning of his realizing exactly what he had been doing to himself.  

There is no way that hiring someone to do what you are unable to physically do yourself is kidnapping. Yes-it is a horror for the teen to be awakened by these strangers. It is frightening and unnatural. Guess what? So was the last year, months- whatever-for the rest of the family!  "


Sheesh, what does this say about you, Struggling Parent?  That your kid had more respect for the people you paid to come take him away than he did his own parent(s)?

Congratulations on doing such a fine job betraying your child's trust in their own parent(s).  

Remember, you reap what you sow.  Don't be surprised if someday when you least expect it your child doesn't have the time or interest to deal with your incontinence and instead, commits you to an assisted living facility where you will be reduced to having your DEPENDS changed by some cold, sadistic minimum wage worker with bad breath.

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