Why Are Struggling Parents Such An Easy Mark?

[Deprogrammed]

On 2005-09-26 14:35:00, Anonymous wrote:

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Inflammatory Words? KIDNAP is what escorts do.  They KIDNAP kids for hire.





Sheesh.  You must be a program (or ex program) parent who hired some thugs to "escort" your child out of their home and into one of these hellcamps.





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I think you missed it, How many kids would go to a TBS if asked (raise your hands).... I thought so and so they invented escort services."

I think you fecking missed how wrong kidnapping really is and that it is a felony level schmuck!

Do you support drug prohibition because it finances criminals at home or because it finances terrorists abroad?
--Anonymous

[Anonymous]

This is downright pitiful ... parents put their kid in a one-size-fits-all behavior modification facility yet demand respect for their (meaning the parent and teen) "individuality"?

Baaaawaaaaaaahahahaaa ... I think I now know what is wrong with these parents.  They aren't just stupid, they are delusional.

Please, get help.  Find a program that specializes in teaching parents how to think and act like an adult, not a middle-aged magical child.  

 :smokin:

[Antigen]

On 2005-09-26 18:15:00, Anonymous wrote:

 We are all accountable for our OWN actions! No one makes us make wrong decisions.

Not when you've got a couple of deranged ex marines barging in on you w/ cuffs and nasty drugs as you sleep. In that case, you have no choices whatever.

And, at the end of the day, despite anyone's good intentions or compelling excuses, the Program is no more effective than doing nothing at all. That's the best case. Worst case, they actually kill a kid. Usually, they just create a lot of extra emotional baggage.

They used to burn witches. Today we laugh at them. Today we jail people for marijuana. Tomorrow they'll laugh at us.

--Robert "Rosie" Rowbotham

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Drug war POW
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[Anonymous]

Well hell, then ... if we are ALL accountable for our own actions, then the thugs who steal children out of their beds under the cover of darkness, should turn themselves in to their nearest police/sheriff department and face the consequences for K.I.D.N.A.P.P.I.N.G. a federal offense.

Ooops ... silly me.  Kidnapping is only a federal offense if the person being stolen out of their bed is 18 or older.  Minors don't count.

How effing' unjust and Un-American is that?

Kids Don't Count in America.  They are second class citizens.

 :smokin:

[Anonymous]

On 2005-09-26 19:42:00, Antigen wrote:

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On 2005-09-26 18:15:00, Anonymous wrote:



 We are all accountable for our OWN actions! No one makes us make wrong decisions.

Not when you've got a couple of deranged ex marines barging in on you w/ cuffs and nasty drugs as you sleep. In that case, you have no choices whatever.



And, at the end of the day, despite anyone's good intentions or compelling excuses, the Program is no more effective than doing nothing at all. That's the best case. Worst case, they actually kill a kid. Usually, they just create a lot of extra emotional baggage.

They used to burn witches. Today we laugh at them. Today we jail people for marijuana. Tomorrow they'll laugh at us.



--Robert "Rosie" Rowbotham

_________________

Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen

Drug war POW

Seed Chicklett `71 - `80

Straight, Sarasota

   10/80 - 10/82

Apostate 10/82 -

Anonymity Anonymous"

Very true.  What's the kid gonna do?  Tell the burly strangers to go F themselves?  I'm sure many have but what could did it do them?  They still ended up in the back seat of a rental car bound for UTAH or some other anti-teen state ... never to be seen or heard from again until they emerge from their "re-education" cult.

Pretty god-awful twisted, isn't it?

[Anonymous]

On 2005-09-26 19:56:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-09-26 19:42:00, Antigen wrote:


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On 2005-09-26 18:15:00, Anonymous wrote:





 We are all accountable for our OWN actions! No one makes us make wrong decisions.

Not when you've got a couple of deranged ex marines barging in on you w/ cuffs and nasty drugs as you sleep. In that case, you have no choices whatever.





And, at the end of the day, despite anyone's good intentions or compelling excuses, the Program is no more effective than doing nothing at all. That's the best case. Worst case, they actually kill a kid. Usually, they just create a lot of extra emotional baggage.

They used to burn witches. Today we laugh at them. Today we jail people for marijuana. Tomorrow they'll laugh at us.





--Robert "Rosie" Rowbotham

_________________


Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen


Drug war POW


Seed Chicklett `71 - `80


Straight, Sarasota


   10/80 - 10/82


Apostate 10/82 -


Anonymity Anonymous"

Very true.  What's the kid gonna do?  Tell the burly strangers to go F themselves?  I'm sure many have but what good did it do them?  They still ended up in the back seat of a rental car bound for UTAH or some other anti-teen state ... never to be seen or heard from again until they emerge from their "re-education" cult.



Pretty god-awful twisted, isn't it?"

Edited for typo (good).

 :smokin:

[TheWho]

Why does it matter so much how they get there?  In the back seat of their fathers caddy or in an SUV with some ex-marines?  Its only kidnapping if the child is over the age of 18 (or 21 in some state) or without parent consent.  The important thing is the child is being removed from an unsafe enviornment to one that is thought to be safer.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-09-26 20:22:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Why does it matter so much how they get there?  In the back seat of their fathers caddy or in an SUV with some ex-marines?  Its only kidnapping if the child is over the age of 18 (or 21 in some state) or without parent consent.  The important thing is the child is being removed from an unsafe enviornment to one that is thought to be safer.

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Yeah right.  Seized by strangers and taken by force to a private prison is a good thing.

Anon, you need a serious reality check.  

Repeat after me ...

IT DOES MATTER ... IF YOU ARE THE CHILD ... SHACKLED AND BAREFOOT ... DRAGGED OFF BY PEOPLE YOU DON'T KNOW ... WHILE MOMSTER MOM PAYS THEM OFF WITH A NICE FAT PAYCHECK.

 :smokin:

[TheWho]

IT DOES MATTER ... IF YOU ARE THE CHILD ... SHACKLED AND BAREFOOT ... DRAGGED OFF BY PEOPLE YOU DON'T KNOW ... WHILE MOMSTER MOM PAYS THEM OFF WITH A NICE FAT PAYCHECK.



 :smokin: "

Again, if you are removing a child from an unsafe Environment to a safer place, how would you do it?  If they are not handled properly they could hurt themselves.  You just cant grab someone and throw them in a car and drive.  They could grab the steering wheel, jump out etc.  And yes they get paid, who doesnt.  Why should anyone drive someone elses kids allnight, all around the country for free... get real, this is America

[AtomicAnt]

On 2005-09-26 15:01:00, Anonymous wrote:

""The ones who suffered the consequences of being institutionalized in a money-making program, left to fend for themselves with no hope of getting out until their parents ran out of money or they turned 18"



So explain all the ones that stay after they turn 18. Or explain the ones that arrive at 18, and embrace the program. Try to get more realistic please, than "brainwashed" or implying they simply can't leave because Mom and Dad won't let them come home. Young adults make it on their own all the time.  :roll: "

You answer your own question and then ask for a different answer? There is nothing unrealistic about brainwashing. And having no place to go is a very common reason for anyone to stay in a bad situation. Ask any battered wife.

If you don't like the word brainwashing, don't use it. Certainly, there are those who become convinced that the program is right and makes sense. Hey, there are plenty of idiots that buy the idea that dinosaurs and people lived at the same time and that the earth is only 5000 years old. What is the old saying, "A sucker is born...?"

[Anonymous]

On 2005-09-26 21:05:00, Anonymous wrote:

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IT DOES MATTER ... IF YOU ARE THE CHILD ... SHACKLED AND BAREFOOT ... DRAGGED OFF BY PEOPLE YOU DON'T KNOW ... WHILE MOMSTER MOM PAYS THEM OFF WITH A NICE FAT PAYCHECK.





 :smokin: "

Again, if you are removing a child from an unsafe Environment to a safer place, how would you do it?  If they are not handled properly they could hurt themselves.  You just cant grab someone and throw them in a car and drive.  They could grab the steering wheel, jump out etc.  And yes they get paid, who doesnt.  Why should anyone drive someone elses kids allnight, all around the country for free... get real, this is America"

Uh .... maybe the parent could escort their own child to the private prison (emotional growth school) instead of hiring a couple of over-weight cops and/or moonlighting probation officers to do THEIR DIRTY WORK FOR THEM.

And make no mistake.  Paying somebody to kidnap your own kid is a filthy, dirty business.

So disgusting, most parents are only too glad to write a check for a couple G's to ensure somebody else gets their hands dirty.

 :smokin:

[TheWho]

If you don't like the word brainwashing, don't use it. Certainly, there are those who become convinced that the program is right and makes sense.

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and there are those who become convinced that all programs are bad and should be shut down.  It would be pretty naive to believe that no one has benefitted from some of these programs.

[TheWho]

Uh .... maybe the parent could escort their own child to the private prison (emotional growth school) instead of hiring a couple of over-weight cops and/or moonlighting probation officers to do THEIR DIRTY WORK FOR THEM.



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:smokin: "

Uh... It might be that the child can overcome the restraint of the parent, could be a single parent household (90lb mom, 200 lb child), could be the parents are abused by the child, Chronic runaway etc.
Why would it matter if the excorts had a weight problem or moonlighting?  Not sure I follow your thinking on that one.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-09-26 21:20:00, Anonymous wrote:

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If you don't like the word brainwashing, don't use it. Certainly, there are those who become convinced that the program is right and makes sense.


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and there are those who become convinced that all programs are bad and should be shut down.  It would be pretty naive to believe that no one has benefitted from some of these programs."

All TEEN HURT programs are bad, this is true.

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[AtomicAnt]

On 2005-09-26 21:05:00, Anonymous wrote:

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IT DOES MATTER ... IF YOU ARE THE CHILD ... SHACKLED AND BAREFOOT ... DRAGGED OFF BY PEOPLE YOU DON'T KNOW ... WHILE MOMSTER MOM PAYS THEM OFF WITH A NICE FAT PAYCHECK.





 :smokin: "

Again, if you are removing a child from an unsafe Environment to a safer place, how would you do it?  If they are not handled properly they could hurt themselves.  You just cant grab someone and throw them in a car and drive.  They could grab the steering wheel, jump out etc.  And yes they get paid, who doesnt.  Why should anyone drive someone elses kids allnight, all around the country for free... get real, this is America"

Clearly, anyone that condones this sort of abuse lacks any form of empathy for the feelings of another human being. The only reason this can be done at all is because the victim is a minor and lacks legal protection. Do this to an adult and it is a serious crime. Yet, I am certain that there are as many 'at risk' adults as there are teenagers. The only reason these programs don't exist for adults is because they can't force adults into them.

I know a woman who could not get her son to take a time-out and resorted to handcuffing him to a chair to force him to sit in it. Family Services called it child abuse. But, you can pay people to handcuff your kids and the authorities will look the other way.