Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS)
Genreal Discussion on the WWASP Parent's BBS??
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---Spring Creek Lodge Academy, Montana:
22 Montana OPI certified teachers, several with MA's, with teaching experience ranging from seven to twenty years.
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Oh, really? Can you show any proof that they actually teach the kids? WWASPS sometimes keeps licensed, qualified teachers on staff, so they could pretend they offer a real academic program. But since that academic program doesn't include any frontal teaching or real instruction at all-- just reading booklet and filling in bubbles-- those teachers aren't really doing all that much.
--- Quote --- tudents who don't master the material do the work again, and continue studying the material until they can demonstrate mastery.
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Which is exactly what I said. Prisoners who get anything less than 80% are forced to do the exam over and over again until they reach 80% or higher.
--- Quote --- Every English course--and there are five--requires two book reports, on books from the list, which exceeds the minimum grade levels as recommended by the publishers.
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Again, can you show any proof for that? I've seen WWASPS' academic requirements list, which also lists book reports, but of all the former prisoners I've talked to, not even one mention actually writing book reports. Just the usual "teach yourself from a book and fill in the bubbles". WWASPS just writes this sort of bullshit to fool people who are stupid enough to fall for it.
--- Quote --- So at least one WWASP school is doing some pretty nice work. I know, because I teach there.
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Well, that explains it. WWASPS often makes sure that its employees are thoroughly indoctrinated in the program's ideology and worship the program just like the program parents.
--- Quote --- In a delightful twist, public schools around the country are finally catching on after extensive research showed that kids should learn stuff instead of being passed along like parts on an assembly line for the convenience of the teachers or administrators,
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...Which is exactly what WWASPS is doing. The "treatment program" and the "academic program" are both one-size-fits-all. No concern is given to the kids' individual needs. WWASPS is very aware of this, and they themselves have compareed their program to a car assembly factory many times.
But then again, what else can you expect from a cult that poses as a "school". A cult whose sole purpose is to rope in the parents, and reqire both parents and kids in such a way that they believe they've been helped (even though they hacen't) and that they worship the program.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-10-14 01:02:00, Anonymous wrote:
Spring Creek Lodge Academy, Montana:
22 Montana OPI certified teachers, several with MA's, with teaching experience ranging from seven to twenty years.
--- End quote ---
Oh, really? Can you show any proof that they actually teach the kids? WWASPS sometimes keeps licensed, qualified teachers on staff, so they could pretend they offer a real academic program. But since that academic program doesn't include any frontal teaching or real instruction at all-- just reading booklet and filling in bubbles-- those teachers aren't really doing all that much.
--- Quote --- tudents who don't master the material do the work again, and continue studying the material until they can demonstrate mastery.
--- End quote ---
Which is exactly what I said. Prisoners who get anything less than 80% are forced to do the exam over and over again until they reach 80% or higher.
--- Quote --- Every English course--and there are five--requires two book reports, on books from the list, which exceeds the minimum grade levels as recommended by the publishers.
--- End quote ---
Again, can you show any proof for that? I've seen WWASPS' academic requirements list, which also lists book reports, but of all the former prisoners I've talked to, not even one mention actually writing book reports. Just the usual "teach yourself from a book and fill in the bubbles". WWASPS just writes this sort of bullshit to fool people who are stupid enough to fall for it.
--- Quote --- So at least one WWASP school is doing some pretty nice work. I know, because I teach there.
--- End quote ---
Well, that explains it. WWASPS often makes sure that its employees are thoroughly indoctrinated in the program's ideology and worship the program just like the program parents.
--- Quote --- In a delightful twist, public schools around the country are finally catching on after extensive research showed that kids should learn stuff instead of being passed along like parts on an assembly line for the convenience of the teachers or administrators,
--- End quote ---
...Which is exactly what WWASPS is doing. The "treatment program" and the "academic program" are both one-size-fits-all. No concern is given to the kids' individual needs. WWASPS is very aware of this, and they themselves have compareed their program to a car assembly factory many times.
--- Quote ---But then again, what else can you expect from a cult that poses as a "school". A cult whose sole purpose is to rope in the parents, and reqire both parents and kids in such a way that they believe they've been helped (even though they hacen't) and that they worship the program.
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SCL doesn't even use bubble sheets. Ask the former students. There are multiple choice, essay questions, true-false, etc. Most tests have a combination of these, as recommended by educational assessment experts. On math tests, students are required to show all work.
SCL doesn't use booklets. The curriculum is almost identical to the one used in public schools around Montana. And what, by the way, is "frontal teaching?" Is that an educational term I missed in my six years of college?
As far as proof, what works for you? SCL has been fully--not conditionally--accredited since 1996. But that doesn't seem to work as proof. Folks who work there have told you about it, but you don't accept it. So state the proof you'd consider valid. Or go find out for yourself.
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The fact is, there's all this complaining about what should happen to make these good schools, and when it becomes clear that's actually the way SCL is, the only reaction is, Oh, that can't be true, you have to prove it. That's a ridiculous response. Prove all the BS claims about poor academics there.
chi3:
Hello All,
Been quite a while since I last posted here! I believe it was at the first of the year. I don't know what you may be looking for on the BBS, but I still have access, but only in the alumni forum, I think. I almost died laughing when I saw I was on the alumni list. I mean, please! We drove up and snatched our daughter on a weekend when the main staff is gone, with no advanced warning. We let them know we wouldn't be back. I have no idea why they still send us the magazine or try to contact us from time to time. About 3 mos. ago, I was asked to "teach" at seminar. I never even finished a seminar! Guess they have relaxed their standards. I have lots of thoughts about the things posted, but it would take a book to list them all. All I can say is I have seen it, done it, and still have nightmares! For anyone who remembers me, my daughter, Bri, is doing well. She is home-schooling her self in advanced classes, has a 3.85, works 2 jobs, and plans on graduating a year early. Her credits from the prison were not transferable to any of our area schools, but luckily a very nice private boarding school accepted them. She was an all A student going into the hell hole, and has come out intact. The education she received at the "school" was a farce. No teachers around, licensed or otherwise, a freezing cold shabby building, and asinine school work. I can't speak for all the WWASPS facilities, but hers was a shitty little hell hole that looked like it needed to be torn down, was filthy, and definately was misrepresented to us over the internet and phone. I wish with all my heart I would have listened to my gut feelings instead of focusing on the problems we were dealing with. I was so torn up about the situation ,I really didn't pay much attention to my surroundings,plus, we were only shown the "best" areas, such as the admin. office. It wasn't until I demanded to return 2 mos. later, against their wishes that I saw the whole place. I was very upset. I was in the process of finding another option for us when the Discovery seminar rolled round. This absolutely bizarre experience was all I needed to just go and snatch her. My daughter told me that all the kids dread parent seminars because this is when the parents get sucked into the cult and become fully committed. I told her, as I will tell you all, committed is the important word in this sentence. I have absolutely no idea anyone can be degraded and abused as the parents are, and still want their kids there. All I can say, it is the breeding ground for little junior psycopaths, who society need to look no further than the parents to find the guilty party.
Nihilanthic:
:nworthy: :nworthy: :nworthy:
Chi3, thank you for getting your kid out of there! And, thank you for coming back to fornits :silly:
How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. But at any rate, they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to.
George Orwell, 1984
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Anonymous:
What's BBS?
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