Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS)
Genreal Discussion on the WWASP Parent's BBS??
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-10-13 16:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-10-13 10:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
"WWASPIE parents have a history of blind ignorance about many issues ...
Case In Point:
In the United States, under FEDERAL LAW, every child is entitled to an education.
Depriving a child of an education b/c they are "druggies" is a crime.
What needs to happen is for one of these kids to SUE THEIR PARENT (and the program, as a co-conspirator) for depriving them of an education.
Only then will parents sit up and take notice!
:smokin:
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I agree, but, they couldnt sue because they are receiving an education, maybe the best in the country, maybe the worse. Sounds like they are doing everything right, classrooms,teachers, desks etc.. They just dont have the paperwork done to hand out diplomas and as a previous post mentioned, education is probably #3 on the list for most parents. Many of the kids were not taking full advantage of the school they were in, so it is a step forward for most."
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I understand the point you are trying to make, but here's the deal: Just b/c a kid isnt excelling at their regular school doesn't mean they can or should be DUMBED down by placing them in a school (cough-cough) that puts a low priority on academics.
Come on, raising a kid's emmotional IQ is just as important as academics. Most of these kids are teacing themselves in the behavior mod warehouses, there are no credentialed teachers ... there is cheating going on, trading deodrant for credits, etc. It's a fucking joke and the parents who condone this by saying ... well he/she wasnt going to graduate from their regular school anyway, are just making excuses.
Being a non-compliant teen is not an excuse to lock someone up, just as poor performance in school is not an excuse to lower the bar on academics.
These kids are being shortchanged in every way, thanks to their parents that buy into this crap dished out by their program of choice.
:smokin:
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-10-13 16:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
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--- Quote ---
On 2005-10-13 10:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
"WWASPIE parents have a history of blind ignorance about many issues ...
Case In Point:
In the United States, under FEDERAL LAW, every child is entitled to an education.
Depriving a child of an education b/c they are "druggies" is a crime.
What needs to happen is for one of these kids to SUE THEIR PARENT (and the program, as a co-conspirator) for depriving them of an education.
Only then will parents sit up and take notice!
:smokin:
"
--- End quote ---
I agree, but, they couldnt sue because they are receiving an education, maybe the best in the country, maybe the worse. Sounds like they are doing everything right, classrooms,teachers, desks etc.. They just dont have the paperwork done to hand out diplomas and as a previous post mentioned, education is probably #3 on the list for most parents. Many of the kids were not taking full advantage of the school they were in, so it is a step forward for most."
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Wow, that's quite a spin. How much are you WWASPies getting paid for writing these things these days? Is it still $50?
Education in WWASP facilities is non-existent. The kids have to teach themselves out of books. There are no essays, book reports, presentations, etc. The only "work" these kids do is fill in bubbles in multiple choice tests. The "teachers" are, in most cases, uneducated and lacking any kind of educational certification or licensing. More often than not, they have to refer to an answer key when they grade a prisoner's test.
Prisoners are not allowed to get a grade that's less than 80%. That would make the program look bad. So, the kids are forced to re-take the same old test over and over again until they reach 80% (or until they give up and move on to a different booklet).
They are not doing anything "right". As far as academics go, it looks like WWASP isn't doing anything at all.
TheWho:
--- Quote ---On 2005-10-13 16:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-10-13 16:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
"
--- Quote ---
On 2005-10-13 10:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
"WWASPIE parents have a history of blind ignorance about many issues ...
Case In Point:
In the United States, under FEDERAL LAW, every child is entitled to an education.
Depriving a child of an education b/c they are "druggies" is a crime.
What needs to happen is for one of these kids to SUE THEIR PARENT (and the program, as a co-conspirator) for depriving them of an education.
Only then will parents sit up and take notice!
:smokin:
"
--- End quote ---
I agree, but, they couldnt sue because they are receiving an education, maybe the best in the country, maybe the worse. Sounds like they are doing everything right, classrooms,teachers, desks etc.. They just dont have the paperwork done to hand out diplomas and as a previous post mentioned, education is probably #3 on the list for most parents. Many of the kids were not taking full advantage of the school they were in, so it is a step forward for most."
--- End quote ---
Wow, that's quite a spin. How much are you WWASPies getting paid for writing these things these days? Is it still $50?
Education in WWASP facilities is non-existent. The kids have to teach themselves out of books. There are no essays, book reports, presentations, etc. The only "work" these kids do is fill in bubbles in multiple choice tests. The "teachers" are, in most cases, uneducated and lacking any kind of educational certification or licensing. More often than not, they have to refer to an answer key when they grade a prisoner's test.
Prisoners are not allowed to get a grade that's less than 80%. That would make the program look bad. So, the kids are forced to re-take the same old test over and over again until they reach 80% (or until they give up and move on to a different booklet).
They are not doing anything "right". As far as academics go, it looks like WWASP isn't doing anything at all. "
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Well I guess you know better than I. I never went to Carlbrook and wasnt aware that they hired people to teach who are uneducated and forced the students to teach themselves, if they can find a book. I find it hard to believe that they force the kids to take the same test over and over until they pass.
Personally I dont think you know what you are talking about. Good qualified teachers dont demand a whole lot of money, any school can find someone to fill the void when it comes to teaching young adults on the highschool level, but this is just my opinion because I wasnt there. But I am sure it is not the final word, someone must know if the teachers have experience and finished college.
Anyone?
Anonymous:
"Education in WWASP facilities is non-existent. The kids have to teach themselves out of books. There are no essays, book reports, presentations, etc. The only "work" these kids do is fill in bubbles in multiple choice tests. The "teachers" are, in most cases, uneducated and lacking any kind of educational certification or licensing. More often than not, they have to refer to an answer key when they grade a prisoner's test.
"Prisoners are not allowed to get a grade that's less than 80%. That would make the program look bad. So, the kids are forced to re-take the same old test over and over again until they reach 80% (or until they give up and move on to a different booklet). "
"They are not doing anything "right". As far as academics go, it looks like WWASP isn't doing anything at all. "
Spring Creek Lodge Academy, Montana:
22 Montana OPI certified teachers, several with MA's, with teaching experience ranging from seven to twenty years. Students who don't master the material do the work again, and continue studying the material until they can demonstrate mastery.
Every English course--and there are five--requires two book reports, on books from the list, which exceeds the minimum grade levels as recommended by the publishers.
So at least one WWASP school is doing some pretty nice work. I know, because I teach there.
In a delightful twist, public schools around the country are finally catching on after extensive research showed that kids should learn stuff instead of being passed along like parts on an assembly line for the convenience of the teachers or administrators, as many public schools have done the last twenty years. Many are now adopting the same requirements.
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Nihilanthic:
Oh really, which one? 'cos the last person I know who went to a WWASPS program... actually two, Casa and CCM, says she had to teach herself out of a book. And re-taking the same test until you get at least 80% means... you were able to pass that test, not that you actually grasped the material and learned anything.
"22 Montana OPI certified teachers, several with MA's, with teaching experience ranging from seven to twenty years. Students who don't master the material do the work again, and continue studying the material until they can demonstrate mastery. "
In the real world they dont give do-overs :wink:
Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?"
Priest: "No, not if you did not know."
Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?"
--Annie Dillard, "Pilgrim at Tinker Creek"
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