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Anonymous:
After re-reading my post above.  I meant to say the Seed never told me to not have anything to do w/ my mom.  That was always my decision what I wanted to do.....

cleveland:
I believe I do practice love. To understand is to forgive; but getting to understanding may take a long, long time. I am still working on Hitler...

(Sort of a joke)

Art Barker and The Seed gave me many powerful experiences and memories, but I have to say, on balance for me, it was a net loss of freedom, personal power and ability to choose to live my life as I wanted to. But I will be generous and say that it also gave me a lot, most of which (friends, answers, and purpose) I lost when I left and had to re-find and define. I would avoid putting my own child in a similar coercive environment. My own family was massively disfunctional at that point and it was ineveitable that I would have to thrash around somewhere. It happened to be the Seed.

I do feel love for all of the pro-, con- and ambiguous former Seedlings. But I would oppose further Seeds all the same.

Walter

Antigen:

--- Quote ---On 2005-09-01 13:04:00, Anonymous wrote:

Antigen - you must speak for yourself. I know you did not go to the Seed and maybe Straight messed you up but not all of us feel the way you do. I am not blind and know how I feel in my heart. It always tells me the truth.

--- End quote ---


Nope, it didn't start w/ Straight. You know damned well how immersed my mother was in The Seed and how much that must have effected me. The only kid in my neighborhood or school who was allowed to (or wanted to) hang around w/ me after my mom started her second round of recruiting was the other Seedling. That included my best friend and everyone else. I lived like an animal on display from about the time I was 8 or so.

Remember yesterday when you were (maybe seriously) wondering why I get under your skin so much? Well, I wasn't the least bit surprised by the way you treat me. That's exactly the way Program people were trained to treat rebellious newcomers or olddruggiefriends. I even used to say those same spiteful things to misbehavers and recaptured splits in group in Sarasota.

See, I had had 10 years to study the whole thing before I landed up on front row. I was a damned vet at playing the game. So it didn't effect me so much as it did some people. I didn't internalize it. I was able to be a little objective and dispassionate; even to the point of occasionally taking the chance of cluing in a newcomer who was cracking under the pressur; "Just say what they want to hear, it'll all be over soon, don't take any of this too seriously, it's all theatre".


If life were fair, Dan Quayle would be making a living asking 'Do you want fries with that?'
John Cleese
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JaLong:
What do you mean anyone could just leave?? Not when I was in the seed in '73. If someone tried to leave they were wrestled to the ground. I did that to one of my newcomers. Thank God she had long hair. I threw off my shoes, took off running after her, grabbed her long hair, and body slammed her to the ground. Then she was started over. My old boyfriend came in to get me out. He threw a chair across the room, and spilt that night. If you were in there on your own it was a shorter time. Court ordered(phoney) as I was was, 30 days away from home. 10 1/2 months later I was an old timer. 2 meetings later I just quit going.

JaLong:
Amen John! I was court ordered(not one offense against me) but my intake person(can't remember her name right now Mrs?) said if i didn't sign the papers I would go to jail. Yeah right!! She told me St.PBCH, T.I, Seminole, and Pass-a-grill cops knew all about my drug dealings. Another yeah right!! :lol:
Anyhoo, I agree with your quote. Some of you here who have to rant and rag on John need to let go and forgive, if that's the problem with you. John just did what he thought was right, under the direction of Art. Leave him alone!!
Julie

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