Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
Concern for a "student"
Antigen:
Andrea, how, exactly, do you go about getting information about a program if its name is a secret?
As I've said before, you're not the first and probably won't be the last to try and regulate this problem away. It's never worked. They just whittle away at the well intended stipulations, pretend to comply, change their language and the beat goes on. When the State of Florida tried to reel in Straight, Inc. by holding them to the standards for foster homes, they simply came into the group room and informed us all that, henceforth, we would be sleeping in "host homes". In Utah, they've responded to TBS regulations by insisting that they're all just plain old boarding schools. It's like a manic, never ending game of monkey in the middle.
And I've been hearing for years now about how non-credible and ineffective these forums are and how I should do something to control users. But the traffic just keeps on coming and so do the threats and ligigation. Evidently, it's having some effect.
So long as there is a demand for thought reform services, the market will rise to meet it. But nobody knowingly, intentionally pays someone to brainwash themselves and/or thier children. Every last customer has to be tricked into it. That's how tought reform works. The only way I know of to bust up a cult is to let the current members in on the scam. Nobody enjoys being told they're being played. Especially when they've got such lofty ideals about it.
The truth hurts sometimes. But it's the only way I know to defeat a con artist.
Were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for, it would subvert the very foundation, and transmute the very nature of the limited Government established by the people of America.
James Madison
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Truth Searcher:
--- Quote ---On 2005-08-13 05:26:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
You're very fond of saying you won't discuss the particulars of your child's placement because it "leads to bashing," but you sit here and bash just the same.
If you don't like Niles, fine. Don't engage him then.
That being said, you are still just acting like a child, using ad hominem attacks and attempting to "character assassinate" someone who you don't even know, simply because you are at an utter loss to refute his arguments.
Try acting like an adult for a change and EXPLAIN exactly WHY "your program" is a good one. Name the program, explain how your child was diagnosed and with what disorder and tell us how the treatment plan that your program drafted addressed your child's psychological and social maladaption.
Please, we're all eager to hear about a good program so that we may point struggling parents to a place that won't actually abuse and neglect their child."
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DysJunc~
It appears to me that you are confusing me with ANON (Andrea). I did not engage Nihl. I did not bash him. In fact, I never even responded to him. I refuse to respond to judgmental name calling. I am not at an "utter loss" to refute his arguments. It would be a waste of my breath.
Insofar as you think me acting childish.... well I just plain don't get that. Sounds a bit like the pot calling the kettle black.
As I explained earlier, I am not willing to disclose the program my daughter attended. Would be like a lamb being led to slaughter. No thanks.
I was told that I had no business telling my daughters story. That it was her story alone to tell.
So, the bottom line is this. If you truly want to affect change, you are going about it ass-back wards IMHO. Instead of attacking people who are really trying to understand the ugly side of this institution, I suggest you be a little less hostile and a little more approachable.
If I was a less gritty person, for sure I would have high tailed it out of here after my first reading. But, I really, really want to hear your stories, suggestions, and ideas to better regulate this industry.
You know the old adage.... you attract more flies with sugar.
Try to imagine for one minute that I am a parent who deeply cares about kids (mine and others who are very troubled). That I am a parent who made a responsible placement for my cherished child. Imagine for a minute that she was not abused, and is not scarred from her experience. Imagine that it may have addressed/alleviated some very serious emotional, psychological, and social issues in her life. Imagine that there are caring individuals (professionals) who really desire to help kids and are not motivated by financial recompense. And then maybe, we can have a dialog and learn from one another.
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2005-08-13 06:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
Ginger fights with me all the time and doesn't realize she is preaching to the chior (or tries to argue rather),
Andrea"
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You keep saying that. And I keep reminding you that I do have a pretty good idea what you're about. I've seen it before. All good intentions aside, I expect you'll get the same result that everyone else who has done what you're doing has gotten. You'll work yourself ragged to get some regulation in place. Then the lobbyists will have their crack at it. Then, the day you turn your hand to some other labour, all your work will be quietly discarded like last year's campaign promises.
Now, I'm all for getting info out on New Horizons. But not if it's only going to be used as a recruiting tool for some other thought reform program.
Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?"
Priest: "No, not if you did not know."
Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?"
--Annie Dillard, "Pilgrim at Tinker Creek"
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Anonymous:
You've created more commotion by not naming the program, because people are naturally curious, than if you had named the program and acted like it was no big deal. See you've dug yourself in so deep, you can't really cave and just say the name of the damn program, but you're wishing you had never admitted you sent your daughter to a program in the first place.
It's just very suspicious when you say Imagine it may have done good, no abuse, no problem, etc, and you're all for it, but then you're afraid to name it. What is so bad about the name of the program, that's what I want to know?
Truth Searcher:
--- Quote ---On 2005-08-13 07:35:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
"Actually Truthspeaker you will attract more flies with horseshit.
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OK... ya got me there and gave me a laugh in the process. :rofl:
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