Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
Concern for a "student"
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--- Quote ---On 2005-08-13 07:18:00, Truth Searcher wrote:
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On 2005-08-13 05:26:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
You're very fond of saying you won't discuss the particulars of your child's placement because it "leads to bashing," but you sit here and bash just the same.
If you don't like Niles, fine. Don't engage him then.
That being said, you are still just acting like a child, using ad hominem attacks and attempting to "character assassinate" someone who you don't even know, simply because you are at an utter loss to refute his arguments.
Try acting like an adult for a change and EXPLAIN exactly WHY "your program" is a good one. Name the program, explain how your child was diagnosed and with what disorder and tell us how the treatment plan that your program drafted addressed your child's psychological and social maladaption.
Please, we're all eager to hear about a good program so that we may point struggling parents to a place that won't actually abuse and neglect their child."
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DysJunc~
It appears to me that you are confusing me with ANON (Andrea). I did not engage Nihl. I did not bash him. In fact, I never even responded to him. I refuse to respond to judgmental name calling. I am not at an "utter loss" to refute his arguments. It would be a waste of my breath.
Insofar as you think me acting childish.... well I just plain don't get that. Sounds a bit like the pot calling the kettle black.
As I explained earlier, I am not willing to disclose the program my daughter attended. Would be like a lamb being led to slaughter. No thanks.
I was told that I had no business telling my daughters story. That it was her story alone to tell.
So, the bottom line is this. If you truly want to affect change, you are going about it ass-back wards IMHO. Instead of attacking people who are really trying to understand the ugly side of this institution, I suggest you be a little less hostile and a little more approachable.
If I was a less gritty person, for sure I would have high tailed it out of here after my first reading. But, I really, really want to hear your stories, suggestions, and ideas to better regulate this industry.
You know the old adage.... you attract more flies with sugar.
Try to imagine for one minute that I am a parent who deeply cares about kids (mine and others who are very troubled). That I am a parent who made a responsible placement for my cherished child. Imagine for a minute that she was not abused, and is not scarred from her experience. Imagine that it may have addressed/alleviated some very serious emotional, psychological, and social issues in her life. Imagine that there are caring individuals (professionals) who really desire to help kids and are not motivated by financial recompense. And then maybe, we can have a dialog and learn from one another.
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I guess you're more concerned with talking than listening.
Nowhere in the post that you QUOTED, but apparently did not read, did I address you. I addressed only the person whom I quoted (bashing anon). That person is not you (I assume, since you have a username) and is acting the fool, to say it nicely.
How is anything I said "the pot calling the kettle black"? I simply pointed out that, once again, there are programmies here that like to bash others and will go to extrordinary lengths to avoid reasonable discussion.
Either you can't comprehend what I'm saying or you choose to plug your ears. Either way, it's clear that you, Truth Seeker, do not in any way add to the dialogue here. You won't even name the program that you support. If it's so great, why not get some free advertising?
So, if you're looking to engage me, AT LEAST READ what I wrote. Don't go thru the trouble of quoting my posts if you're not going to read them.
So, get real, lady, talk facts or get lost.
Troll Control:
--- Quote ---On 2005-08-13 07:18:00, Truth Searcher wrote:
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On 2005-08-13 05:26:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
You're very fond of saying you won't discuss the particulars of your child's placement because it "leads to bashing," but you sit here and bash just the same.
If you don't like Niles, fine. Don't engage him then.
That being said, you are still just acting like a child, using ad hominem attacks and attempting to "character assassinate" someone who you don't even know, simply because you are at an utter loss to refute his arguments.
Try acting like an adult for a change and EXPLAIN exactly WHY "your program" is a good one. Name the program, explain how your child was diagnosed and with what disorder and tell us how the treatment plan that your program drafted addressed your child's psychological and social maladaption.
Please, we're all eager to hear about a good program so that we may point struggling parents to a place that won't actually abuse and neglect their child."
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DysJunc~
It appears to me that you are confusing me with ANON (Andrea). I did not engage Nihl. I did not bash him. In fact, I never even responded to him. I refuse to respond to judgmental name calling. I am not at an "utter loss" to refute his arguments. It would be a waste of my breath.
Insofar as you think me acting childish.... well I just plain don't get that. Sounds a bit like the pot calling the kettle black.
As I explained earlier, I am not willing to disclose the program my daughter attended. Would be like a lamb being led to slaughter. No thanks.
I was told that I had no business telling my daughters story. That it was her story alone to tell.
So, the bottom line is this. If you truly want to affect change, you are going about it ass-back wards IMHO. Instead of attacking people who are really trying to understand the ugly side of this institution, I suggest you be a little less hostile and a little more approachable.
If I was a less gritty person, for sure I would have high tailed it out of here after my first reading. But, I really, really want to hear your stories, suggestions, and ideas to better regulate this industry.
You know the old adage.... you attract more flies with sugar.
Try to imagine for one minute that I am a parent who deeply cares about kids (mine and others who are very troubled). That I am a parent who made a responsible placement for my cherished child. Imagine for a minute that she was not abused, and is not scarred from her experience. Imagine that it may have addressed/alleviated some very serious emotional, psychological, and social issues in her life. Imagine that there are caring individuals (professionals) who really desire to help kids and are not motivated by financial recompense. And then maybe, we can have a dialog and learn from one another.
"
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I guess you're more concerned with talking than listening.
Nowhere in the post that you QUOTED, but apparently did not read, did I address you. I addressed only the person whom I quoted (bashing anon). That person is not you (I assume, since you have a username) and is acting the fool, to say it nicely.
How is anything I said "the pot calling the kettle black"? I simply pointed out that, once again, there are programmies here that like to bash others and will go to extrordinary lengths to avoid reasonable discussion.
Either you can't comprehend what I'm saying or you choose to plug your ears. Either way, it's clear that you, "Truth Searcher," do not in any way add to the dialogue here. You won't even name the program that you support. If it's so great, why not get some free advertising?
So, if you're looking to engage me, AT LEAST READ what I wrote. Don't go thru the trouble of quoting my posts if you're not going to read them.
So, get real, lady, talk facts or get lost.[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2005-08-13 07:56 ]
Truth Searcher:
"If it's so great, why not get some free advertising?"
Ummmmm ..... that would be like advertising beef products on a forum designed, run by and frequented by vegetarians. Make me laugh... :lol:
Troll Control:
Like I said before, some of you people are so full of shit it's not funny.
What you're saying is that you'll only talk with program sycophants. It's an extension of program dogma, people. Plain and simple.
You're a programmie though and through. You have no intellectual or social interest in this industry. If you did, you'd be open to MEANINFUL DEBATE on its MERITS. You aren't at all interested in that.
I'll ask you the same thing I ask others like you: What is your purpose of posting here?
Nonconformistlaw:
Truth Searcher Said-----"Try to imagine for one minute that I am a parent who deeply cares about kids (mine and others who are very troubled). That I am a parent who made a responsible placement for my cherished child. Imagine for a minute that she was not abused, and is not scarred from her experience. Imagine that it may have addressed/alleviated some very serious emotional, psychological, and social issues in her life..."-------
Yes, I can imagine every last word you said here...That is exactly, word for word, what my father truly believed about my program experience.
It has taken nearly 20 years to finally start explaining to my father, in very small doses I might add, exactly how much damage & pain that program caused me, and to finally have the guts to tell him the place routinely abused children, and routinely employed practices including coercion, humilation, etc...just to name a few, to get the "miraculous changes" you spoke of.
Know why I kept all this from him? Aside from the fact that I just didn't want to think about it much less talk about it, I just didn't have the heart to tell him. Because I know he put me in Straight because he cared that much about me and truly thought he was doing the right thing. Not to mention the fact that Straight was an expert on playing on a parent's worst fears, by telling them I would end up dead or in jail if he didn't place me there. Anyway, I knew revealing what really went on in that place would break his heart.
So, although I would be happy for you and your daughter if that program experience was truly beneficial, I hope that you consider that there is another possibility, and there is a whole other side to the program debate. ::rainbow::
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