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Brat Camp Producers Out of Touch With Reality

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Deborah:
Oh? So we could round you up (against your will) and place you in a warehouse with 100 other people (whose company you may or may not enjoy); sever contact with your loved ones; no phone, tv, newspapers; and you wouldn't feel isolated or unjustly incarcerated?

And you wouldn't feel unjustly punished if your very limited contact with your loved ones or food was denied/limited as a consequence? Or if you had to sleep outside in a lean-to for a week? Or held in an illegal restraint? Or lost your month's supply of toilet paper?

And let's talk about those consequences for breaking the 'rules'. The program that abused my son called their rules 'agreements'. How much more indirectly manipulative could it get?

For all intents and purposes, these warehouses are nothing more than glorified, high-dollar psych hospitals. Really not much difference at all, except that some 'try' to avoid drugs and pediatric psych hospitals have stricter regulations and 'consequences' for violations- contrary to programs. Someone got the bright idea that if you called these facilities 'schools' or 'academies' you could avoid state 'rules' and self-regulate. Damn. They should be consequened for their ODD.

Troll Control:

--- Quote ---On 2005-08-11 14:30:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I was wondering if it makes you feel BIG and IMPORTANT to use foul language and insults. You sure named yourself correctly."

--- End quote ---

No, it doesn't.  Just pointing out the obvious.

It makes me feel the same as if I said "I ate breakfast, " or "The dog wants to come in."  My feelings don't change either way.

I guess the real question is how do you feel when people point out that you're obtuse?  Seems like it makes you want to lash out and shift the focus.

Have a great day!   :wave:

Anonymous:
The things you are describing (Deborah) bear no resemblance to what occurs in MOST programs.  I wonder how much of them are figments of your imagination or your child's exaggeration.
There was no withholding of food, there was some access to newspapers and lots of access to books, there was plenty of toilet paper.

Troll Control:

--- Quote ---On 2005-08-12 07:18:00, Anonymous wrote:

"The things you are describing (Deborah) bear no resemblance to what occurs in MOST programs.  I wonder how much of them are figments of your imagination or your child's exaggeration.

There was no withholding of food, there was some access to newspapers and lots of access to books, there was plenty of toilet paper."

--- End quote ---

Exactly how many programs have you personally visited and verified your statement?

Were you IN a program?

If yes, which one?

It appears that you may need an education in discerning between facts and opinions.  You say "MOST" programs are not what Deborah describes, but can you verify this statement empirically?  

You seem to be stating that you have personally visited at least 51% ("most")of the existing facilities and have deemed no abuse (as described by Deborah) occurred in any of them.  

It sounds like you are opining, but have no facts to corroborate your opinion.

Please tell us how many programs you inspected and the names of those programs.

Thank You,
DJ

Nonconformistlaw:
Anonymous said -----"The things you are describing (Deborah) bear no resemblance to what occurs in MOST programs. I wonder how much of them are figments of your imagination or your child's exaggeration."

For the sake of arguement, and without conceding my position, let's assume for a sec that statement is true....

That would mean, most dont but some do...essentially you are arguing and agreeing that these treatment program horror stories described by Deborah and others sometimes DO occur....

and if they occur at all, that is intolerable!

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