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Brat Camp Producers Out of Touch With Reality
Anonymous:
Any abuses in treatment are intolerable. However, the position on this forum that ALL programs are terrible and abusive and ALL parents who send their kids to programs are bad parents who are giving up their kids for someone else to raise is ridiculous.
Whenever someone tries to point our success stories from programs- whether it be a student or a parent- you just slam them, insult them, swear at them and accuse them of being brain-washed.
I think we can all agree that there have been abuses and that there have been bad programs- many of them out of the country. No parent would want their child in an abusive program. There are kids who desperately need a program and need what you call behavioral modification. There are plenty of adults who need behavioral modification! Many of us have had to learn to modify some of our behaviors in order to keep jobs. If we aren't mature enough to do so, we lose the job. Most teenagers who are having the substance, behavior and/or anger problems that lead to a program placement have not yet developed the maturity to understand what is going on inside of them and what the long term consequences of their actions can be. They have stopped respecting and listening to parents and teachers- for various reasons. The families have become dysfunctional and the parents are unable to help the teen.
There is no intent to send the kid off to be abused or raised by someone else. The intent is to keep the teen safe while he or she gets therapeutic help, matures, and is ready to show respect for authority and society.
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2005-08-12 09:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
Many of us have had to learn to modify some of our behaviors in order to keep jobs. If we aren't mature enough to do so, we lose the job.
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Sometimes we refuse to modify our behavior for reasons other than lack of maturity. I refused, over and over again, to play office politics. But it wasn't a lack of maturity that kept me from trashing someone else for my own benefit. It was a point of character that I learned early on; as a victim of such tactics as well as from good role models who I admired for their strength.
As a result, I've never worked in the same office for more than a year or two. Sucks, huh? No, not really. Instead, we get to work from home for good people who we can trust and respect. And we make a decent living at it, too. So, in the end, I really do not regret my stubborn refusal to mould myself into whatever kind of petty tyrant might have succeeded under those circumstances.
That's where I have a problem w/ coerced behavior mod. What if you're dead wrong and your kid is entirely correct? Never considered that possability, have you? It is unethical and fool hearty to remove that free will from another human being and then call it therapy.
The strength of the Constitution lies entirely in the determination of each citizen to defend it. Only if every single citizen feels duty bound to do his share in this defense are constitutional rights secure.
-- Albert Einstein
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Anonymous:
Are the kids who are stealing, wrecking cars, using drugs, ruining their educations, terrorizing family members with violence right? No-sorry, I didn't consider the possibilty that we were dead wrong and our kid was right.
Well, good for you for refusing to play office politics. Many of us who have jobs have to arrive on time, not fall asleep at work, complete assignments correctly, be respectful towards customers and many more things. Is it really that much of an imposition for an employee to control his impulses enough to be a productive member of the work force? We all have free will, and we can choose not to work, but if we do want to make a living, in most cases it involves some compromises.
Troll Control:
"Whenever someone tries to point our success stories from programs- whether it be a student or a parent- you just slam them, insult them, swear at them and accuse them of being brain-washed."
That's simply not true. In each and every case, I ask for specifics.
You say "My program was great." I say, "Which one was it and when were you or your kid enrolled?" This is where the problems with the dialogue begin.
Every single time, to a person, the program supporter REFUSES TO GIVE DETAILS, and hides behind the excuse "I don't want to compromise my identity." This is a lame excuse used solely to avoid having to speak in factual terms.
So, I'll ask you , anon, in which program did you enroll your child, when, and for how long?
If you'll be kind enough to answer that question, we can talk about your child's diagnosis, treatment plan for that diagnosis, and the particulars of the facility's program.
I think what you'll find is that people on this board are intelligent critical thinkers. What bothers most program supporters is that the folks who respond to their fallacious arguments can't be snowed over with B.S. "program one-liners."
So, please, do tell. Which program, when and for how long?
bandit1978:
Anon- name your program
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