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Note to John Underwood
GregFL:
Er...no thanks.
Just cut a branch off the ole mustard tree.
That'll do it for me.
:grin: :grin:
Anonymous:
Hey Greg,
The biting remark was not meant for you but for Ginger. Not meant to be a big deal or a personal attack. To answer your question yes I do remember Big Frank and also read the post when he committed suicide or accidental overdose. I did feel bad for him wished he was still around I do not subscribe to the opinion that drug addicts or users get what they deserve.
Just wanted to say a couple of things about this as I can remember Frank blamed his problems because of the time he was at the Seed but I often wonder if the cure was worst than the disease(especially in the case of people that went through the program as minors).
I can only speak for myself when I think about my current dysfunctions with my life and there origins. I went into the Seed because I had some issues and needed to get control of my life What I heard there seamed to me logical and simple and if I applied some of these things perhaps I could control my life. Not everything changed I still had certain problems I needed to deal with and I could not blame the Seed for these things, for one placing blame on the Seed would only be side stepping the issue and not do anything to resolve my problem. So the question I ask is was Frank a victim of the Seed or just overwhelmed by his own problems and just using the Seed as a scapegoat? I would not even try to answer the question out of respect for Big Frank.
I can not see my experience in the Seed as a young teenager because I was not, I was older and weathered when I went to the Seed and because of this I will not allow myself to discredit your perception of the Seed. We were at very different places in our lives when we experienced the Seed. Perhaps if I were younger when I experienced the Seed I would see things eye to eye with you. Also, take into account that in the 80?s the Seed program was much smaller and an older crowd prevailed. I will agree with you that the Seed was flawed I will not argue that point and to me this was obvious especially toward the end of my stay but this will not negate the credit I give to the Seed and for the tools the Seed taught to me in dealing with life. I was 22 when I walked into the Seed and in spite of it all I choose to stay. (I?ve been working on this post since this morning and new posts have gone up since than. Dam I wish I was a faster thinker).
The ideals of the Seed were sound, love those around you, and set an example for those around you. Don?t be the weak link, love people, and be honest with yourself and with others. Do things to make yourself feel proud of yourself this will develop good feelings about yourself, Stand up for your beliefs and I could go on and on. If you don?t believe that these are sound ideas just try applying these things I think you will be pleasantly surprised.
I remember listening to raps about how close we all were and the love that we share will carry on forever. I guess I could not see how small little attitudes and interivalries would eventually play out and destroy. What I could see and never sat right with me was the so called hero worship so many people professed to have for Art. Never felt it and it always scared the hell out of me. In my particular case Art was nothing but kind to me and often remember being at his house scared and paranoid of saying something wrong or doing the wrong thing and having the wrath of Staff fall upon me(never happened). His words were quoted as Holy Scripture and gratitude was always spoken and given to him.
Even after all of this and all these years I do not see him as an evil or cunning. I see Art through kinder eyes someone who tried to change things for the better and after many years of self reflection see him for a very strong influence in my life. Was the Seed flawed? Hell yea but so was I, and not in any way does this negate all the positive lessons the Seed taught me and to negate this would be deny who I am today.
Hey but that?s just what I think
GregFL:
--- Quote ---On 2005-08-10 14:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hey Greg,
The biting remark was not meant for you but for....
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I knew that, but it was such a good opportunity to get in another tree/bush joke I just coudln't resist!
:grin:
GregFL:
scientology, haris krisna, the moonies and many other mind cults have "solid ideals".
It is the methodology of imparting these ideals with that I take issue with, along with the bastardization of the meaning of the words (such as "honesty and awareness"). This is a common element of all cults.
Thanks for your post
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2005-08-10 14:55:00, GregFL wrote:
It is the methodology of imparting these ideals with that I take issue with.
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No, no! It's "with which I take issue."
But yeah, couldn't have said it better otherwise. LOL
The Roman Catholic Church had a policy of burning all pre-Columbian information as pagan.
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