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Note to John Underwood

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FueLaw:
First, I will give you credit for having the guts to post on this website.

However, some of the stuff you said simply is not true. I was physically beaten by you and Robert Chun in 1973 and 1974 in the Seed. The beatings took place at the old Tropical Park Race track facility and on State Road 84. When interviewed by a reporter several years ago Chun admitted it when confronted with the allegations.

In addition to being physically beaten you also tried to mentally destroy me on a number of occassions. You were not qualified to do what you were doing. You had no training, and like many of you colleagues on staff, were way more pathetic than the people you were attempting to help.

The Seed was based on a bunch of lies and falacies. Low rent maggots, such as yourself, perpretrated those lies on our parents and anyone else who would actually listen to your garbage. Our parents were scared and the slime that was on staff played on their fears. Most of us were to young to defend ourselves. The ones who fought, such as myself, paid dearly. If I knew then what I now know about the law I would own your worthless ass forever.

You can say whatever you want about what you and the other scumbags who were on staff did during your years in the Seed but the bottom line is that you were more full of shit than almost any human being who ever trod the face of the earth.You had an ego the size of the Grand Canyon. Nothing that you and Art Barker predicted would happen ever came to pass. Whenever a government entity or newspaper investigated the Seed, gutless cowards such as yourself and Barker, ran for cover.

I found the parts of your post very humorous. Prticularly the part about you and the other imcompetent morons thinking that Straight was dangerous. I guess a bunch of fried out junkies trying to pretend they knew what they were doing, and running a rehab, was completely safe.




[ This Message was edited by:  on 2005-08-07 17:51 ]

GregFL:
I think it important to note that Fuelaw is not now some worthless Junkie with an axe to grind because he "Failed the seed":, but instead a seed graduate, a florida lawyer, registered with the florida bar, and currently in practice in South Florida.

Believe him or not, but do not dismiss him as a failure. He is not.

Napolean Bonafart:
John, If there was anything I could have done to stop the constant brow-beating you know I wuld have my first open meeting. Thank you. I understand you had a brother you could not save andI was a punk kid and didnot want to grow up. I find no fault with your treatment with me as a Seedling and I hope you can quit drinking someday comepletly on your own. I'm sober. Haven't touched drugs that are illicit for years but currently I'm a prisoner of war, and government property and I'm a full grown man with a white beard at age 45. I have a lot of money but I'm sedated thanks to the American KGB. I run my own music studio and have done several music projects since I got away. The only thing nice you EVER had to say to me was..."You're off your program". Ideed I learned from every single one of you staff members but you see. I wasn't conning it. I was there 8 months. Aas much as I hated getting sick pulling up to that warehouse every damned day. I learned to live with the isolation. I'm still a loner. I still go9 by th rules. Screw the programming crap all I ever go by is the 6th step now. Dennis knew. You see I did change. But became very worldy and scared rthe Hell out of my parents who came out to a club to hear me play oe ight and some other asshole had me thrown in straight. I escaped the next day. Don't ask me how, I never knew I could run so fast. I got a mustard tree in my back yard John. I grew it from a seed out of the kitchen. Ii'm also a Cold war vet and DHS person and other things I don'thave to tell you. except Thank you or disgracing me. I was a piece of shit and needed to be treated appropriately or I'd never be alive today. I think Nick isstill alive too. and Dennis and artie? Where are they. I thought they were going out to make the history books. Mmy oh my but I didn't even know I was a commie til I got on here. Nnow I'm just a Socialist. But still on the payroll. I've otten out of the VA completly. Died several times.Torchured. beaten, Had to fightv ib some places where my life was endangered but you know it was that little bit of faith I learned and Dennis letures that freed my mind. Also scripture that was encouraged by Dennis. The only book I ever read in my whole life for the first time was the bible and I studied it. Alas, the KGB took over and now I even have to battle the Red Skull every night. Yousee YOU never knew I was bought by my parents nd I was a Jew slave. Did you? Well I was raised bible. Ii don't like religion but I've faith in God now and I believe in Christ Jesus. Thank you. That's all I have to say..I was only 14 years old.I had to grw up quick. Before I met you I was going to stores and stealing just to cloth and feed myself. I was a street person. My arents were poor but too proudfor welfare and thety were NEVER around. YOU ALL were my parents. Nnow it still hurts ok? I'll be honest with you it still hurts from there. I've bigger problems than that to conquor. If I couldn't make peace with you on this I guess I'll just see you some other time, some other place. But I can forgive you because I know you couldn't save your younger brother. But you ALL taught me how to survive. Go be our witness. I don't even know you. But for Christ's sake I'm not a guy anymre. I'm a man now. I find no fault with this man John Underwood. I expect you all to just forget about all this bullshit and get even crap right now. ok? The games over. Stop doing this to him right now.Peace :smokin:  friend.
I don't go lookin' for trouble. I just keep a little in a box should someone come by who is.
--Bill Warbis
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Anonymous:
Just because someone is a lawyer, means absolutly nothing to me.  Actually the fue guy sorry, fuelaw sounds a bit pompous to me.  I believe that there were alot of caring individuals at the Seed.
Sure some of the staff had huge egos and were not profesionals but they gave a shit.  I felt cared for and looked after. It taught me to reach out and care about others.  Thats what counts for something in my book.  They tried to make a difference and did in my life.  I thank them for that, John Underwood included.  I know he went out of his way to help me.

John_FtPierce:
Sorry for the short post, I've got those life responsibilities to attend too (work).

FueLaw and The Root Of Jesse, could you post more on your life?  I know its painful, but I, for one, really want to hear more.


-- John (John Ft. Pierce not Underwood)

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