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Some insight(s)
cleveland:
Absolutely. Well said.
I do wish John would respond. I would bet he won't. I'm glad Ginger and Greg had a chance to speak one-on-one with him, and have some dialog with him. But in my experience, those who have fixed ideas reject contrary views.
Maybe someday, he'll be back. And wouldn't if be great to hear from some others!
By the way, I know I tend to take a middle of the road path. Wasn't it Art who used to say, if you walk in the middle of the road you'll get run over? Perhaps that's true, but I reject extremes and embrace the middle.
GregFL:
--- Quote ---On 2005-08-09 17:29:00, cleveland wrote:
wish John would respond. I would bet he won't. I'm glad Ginger and Greg had a chance to speak one-on-one with him
--- End quote ---
several things John said that was at once funny and very telling...we were discussing Art and his "love" of participation sports and he said the following things that had me laughing and thinking...
"Art Always batted 1000 when we played softball."
"I got yelled at by Art for hitting Home runs behind sr 84."
in Addition, he acknowledged that people would be come down on if they thru art out at base or struck him out.
I just find this so fucking funny.....Don't ask me why...Im laughing as I type it.
:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
cleveland:
I think, like a lot of 'great men,' Art had a bit of a Napoleon complex. He always had to win, even if the victory was fake. That robbed me of a lot of respect for him.
Perhaps 'falsity' was the first and most important rule!
(...is that a word?)
Anonymous:
http://www.who.int/mental_health/preven ... erates/en/
..."Assuming we know about all of them and are estimating the total # of seedlings somewhere in the right ballpark, that's roughly 20 times the averate for the area. Here's one source..."
Ginger-
I agree that there is huge variation in what data is used, just a quick google of the world health organization, Suicide Rates (per 100,000), by country, year, and gender. Now granted the data is 6 years old (1999) but extrapolating from reported rates based on 100,000 down to a population of 5,000 the rate for suicide (I would not even know where to look for "overdose" data) the figures should be 44 males & 10 females. I still think the rate among us "seedling" seems low, even given the fact that some may have been suicidal before they came into the program (physical / chemical causes) and may have had this pre-disposition even after...
GregFL:
we have no rate. There are no figures to crunch. All we have is anecedotal information.
But believing the hype thrown at us in the seed, all of us graduates should be running the country right now and we should be millions strong.
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