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Re: Carlbrook
« Reply #2670 on: April 15, 2009, 06:07:53 PM »
thanks so much-- ahh dishdutyfugitive is it?

That is wonderfully helpful!

Also for the guest that post. I am terribly sorry if my request upset you. I hope that you understand why it is that I havent posted her name... Above all else and completely disregarding the fact that I never witnessed her participate in such torturous acts... I still currently see her... infact I see her again in 4 days. She is aware that I googled her and discovered her previous place of employment.. should she google herself and discover this same website... well I can only imagine how utterly horrific it could be if she discovered my further searching and that I had contributed to these discussions... She has never come off as torturous to me... but certainly very intemidating at times. Not anyone that I'd like to cross. I stated that I would discontinue my googling of her and would let it all drop. So I can only imagine how well it would go over should I say "oh and by the way I found this online forum and have read all about this horrific school and these horrific events.. I gave them your name and reconfirmed your association with the institution by the way." yes that would be real swell.. believe it or not I would like to live long enough to graduate lol.

I can assure you that my play will in no way make light of these circumstances and the things that the kids went through. I find it completely sick and disturbing and abusive. It disgusts me and my play will above everything else certainly reflect that. It is highly unlikely that I will even allow my therapist to read the play.

I am sorry if you feel as though I am exploiting this situation in some way or making light of such a terrible occurance.

I already had a first act written for this assignment on sexual abuse.. but I decided to do the extra work and research and switch last moment and pitch this idea to my teacher because I feel that it is much more important to bring this into the light.. I would prefer for my class and school and community to become aware of this. Sexual abuse is widely recognized... this has not recieved nearly the amount of publicity that it should.

I am not a psychologist.. I am not a famous author.. I can not make a large publication of some kind.. I am not a rich survivor that could hire a lawyer and sue... I am simply a high school student that is sickened by this injustice and is writing about it in the only form recognizable in her high school- a play.

Thanks again for all of your help!
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Re: Carlbrook
« Reply #2671 on: April 15, 2009, 06:12:26 PM »
by the way Guest... I couldnt make the torture link work. It told me that the page could not be displayed.
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Re: Carlbrook
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« Reply #2673 on: April 15, 2009, 06:19:22 PM »
Oh yes... One last question if you don't mind... But wikipedia doesn't specify and this is a seriously underpublished offense... But so what were "raps" or workshops on... generally speaking... was it just discussion of life... was it always talking about childhood trauma? Were there different topics each time? Was it always emotionally breaking or were there lighter ones as well?

Were the staff members always seen as superior during these? Well I mean despite the chairs...

I know it was mentioned at some other point in this forum that there was a song "tell it all brother" I believe that was used during a workshop... was it a regular occurance that a song would be played?

-By the way I listened to that song... I intend to incorporate it into my play.. In what way might they use a song? Just to set the tone... or was it part of a brainwashing process... or???

I guess I just do not have a decent understanding about these workshops. I understand that they were miserable experiences... But was it like group therapy? Or group brainwashing? Or group break down?
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Re: Carlbrook
« Reply #2674 on: April 15, 2009, 06:20:35 PM »
Thank you! That link worked.
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Re: Carlbrook
« Reply #2675 on: April 15, 2009, 07:01:16 PM »
It was really very informative... and it explained quite a bit about raps.
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Re: Carlbrook
« Reply #2676 on: April 15, 2009, 07:42:20 PM »
were the workshops like this at carlbrook too? Or only CEDU?
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Re: Carlbrook
« Reply #2677 on: April 15, 2009, 08:00:08 PM »
watch the videos -  they'll answer many of your questions

http://liamscheff.com/daily/cedu-documentary/#fn1
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Re: Carlbrook
« Reply #2678 on: April 15, 2009, 08:44:22 PM »
Wow those videos were really informative... There was an advisor that set a homeless guy on fire! Shouldnt he be... Idk locked up?! Not working with children! ick... The whole I and the Me concept is really rather sketchy... It sounds to me more like they were fostering a community of kids with various personalities... and self hatred... and poor self images.. Im not sure the word "help" qualifies in the least!
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Re: Carlbrook
« Reply #2679 on: April 15, 2009, 09:22:17 PM »
HERE IS A SURVIVOR ACCOUNT OF CEDU, THE MOST INCLUSIVE ONE I'VE FOUND

I was Placed at CEDU Foundation In or about march 1973, when I arrived I had no idea, what so ever that the Dept. of Social Service was "dropping me off"  I was told I was just going to go for the day to see if I would like to stay there.  Within 1 hour, I found myself standing in a room with Mr. & Mrs. Wasserman, and Michael Allgood.  I was told that Michael would be my "family head" and if I had any questions or problems he would be in charge of it all.  I then, was taken into a room, and was told to sit in a chair while they cut my hair.  They cut my hair to where it was just a few inches short., They took my clothes and only left me with a few pair of pants and tops and sent the rest back with my social worker.  The reason I told for this was to "break your Image".  I was then taken into a room and a Nurse? examined me , and then I was told to shower.  I had never been in any place like this before, so I was already afraid.  I was told I couldn't write or see any family members for at least 3-6 months depending on if I followed the rules.  I hadnt been there much more than a few hours and I was called into a "Rap" session, there was probably 20 people at least in there, they were all yelling and screaming at each other, and I sat there just startled.  All of a sudden Michael Allgood started yelling at me, stating that I was not going to sit in these sessions and not speak, I told him, that this was all "new" to me, and he said if you want to make it here, you will do what you are told, I started to cry, and told him that I didn't want to stay, and he told me that my family didn't want me, that's why they dumped me there, and he said, the only reason why they took me was for the money they would get from the county.  He called me a lesbian, at the time I had no clue, that I was, and he said he thought I would learn to like it there real quick.  I was only 15 at the time, and just lost my mother, so all of this was pretty scary, considering this was just the first day there.  I learned to adjust, to play the game. and prayed that I would not get in Michaels way.  he was very verbally abusive with me and it never got better.  I eventually somehow, figured out to ask for a different family head over time.  I finally got John Stallone, he was basically the closest  person there with some sense of caring.  I dont recall bad times with john.  They had these rap Sessions that would last like 2  days they were called "profeets"  there would be a group maybe like 20 -25 people and they would lock you in this room with 2 or 3 counselors, and they would play very Loud music continously, this would go on and on, and they would yell, and tell you how fucked up you were, and you were useless, and would never amount to anything in life, a lot of the kids and adults there were either court placed some private placed, and most of them were drug abusers.  I never did drugs, until after I left Cedu.  they would continue this until someone would emotionally snap, once you did, they would move on to the next person, once in a profeet they made a black boy wash Michaels feet. Michael thought he was like God , he  called him the N word while this person washed his feet.  They would accuse the boys of performing beastility acts on the animals, I dont know for fact if that happened but I was told  it did as a punishement for the boys.    I was blamed for my mother's death.  I actually grew up after that believing that my actions as a Teen caused her to die, when in all reality, I was acting out because when I was 5yrs old, i was in a foster home, and was molested continually.  I never said anything, until it was too late. We would remain in these Profeets until everyone snapped and I never recall any food in there, we did get bathroom breaks and water breaks.  They said the less we had in our bodies made it easier for them to "cleanse" our souls. I guess when you are that young you will believe anything.  The Dorm Leaders, were usually someone who had been there for quite some time.  Most of the female ones were lesbian.  Well, a lot of the girls were Lesbians.  That's where I had my first Lesbian experience, with my dorm leader.  If you were straight, you could get what  they called your "Fucking Privledges" if you were interested with someone at least 6 months, and if you got past that, you would be allowed to have your privledges at 1 year.  However, that rule didn't seem to matter with the staff.  I know of cases where Rudy Bentz?  had his "special"  or favorite girls, if you wanted special trips to town, or pribledges you just had to know the right person to get what you wanted.  Gay or straight. They had this one punishement called "dishpan Dishpan was for those who either did something really wrong, or if you tried to split, and got caught, or got away and had to re enter cedu, oh, and when that happened that meant the boys got their head completely shaved, the girls hair was whacked, all uneven.  I got put on dishpan I think 2 or 3 times, the longest period I was on was for 2 weeks  but usually it ws just a 2 or 3 day thing.  When you were on dish pan you would work where ever they wanted to put you,  I once had to clean all the bathrooms, with a sign around my neck saying " I AM POISON"  that was Allgood's doing.  When I did the bathrooms I had to use buckets of bleach, and a toothbrush.  When someone would have to come use the bathroom, and Mike noticed, I would have to start all over.  No one could talk to you and you could not talk to anyone. except family heads or counselors, and only if you were spoken to.  The hours were like from 6am to 11pm you had to eat by yourself and quickly at that.  there was NO breaks.  One Dishpan I was on, I had to take all the trash out of one of those industrial size trashcans, climb in clean it with a tooth brush, then put the trash back in, another time I had to use a tootbrush on all the pool tiles and do the kitchen floors the same way, on your hands and knees. When I was on my last dishpan My hands were cracked and bleeding from all the bleach, and i would have to keep putting my hands in the bleach, I finally just couldn't feel them in the end. After that dishpan I got kicked out, and that was the happiest day of my life. They drove me in the middle of the night to some apt in reche canyon, we were there for about 1 hour, I dont know what    they were doing they locked me in the car with a counselor, when they came out they drove me to my sisters in LA and just dropped me off in front of her house and left, it was like midnight.  Thank God, they were home.  When I was at CEDU Mel wasserman used to send probably like a van load of us down to anaheim, san bernaardino, and surrounding shopping centers, and have us all out in the parking lots approaching people asking them for money.  We were told to them that we would be closed down if we didn't raise money for a new fire alarm system.  I did this for a few months, we would give them a raffle ticket, to what I have NO clue, but I remember when we got back to the lodge we would have to count up all the money, and I remember it being thousands of dollars, and sure enough we would be out the next day, only at a new shopping center, i remember going close to Los Angeles, and once thought I was so close to home, but I think by that time, I was starting to believe in CEDU.  In other words I was becoming like the rest of them....brainwashed.  I never even noticed if they had a fire alarm system or not. The worst things I can remember is the verbal abuse, the sex acts, and if you even mentioned it was something that you didn't want to be involved in you were told you would get sent to Juvenile Hall, some faced prison sentences,  or they would threaten you with somewhere much worse.  The Wassermans would eat in the living quarters at the time overlooked San Bernardino, I remember how they would order steak dinners and we would have to serve them, while we ate food which was donated, from the places we were out begging for money from.  This is just a touch of what I went through at Cedu, I know so much more, and went through so much more.  I know of one kid who lived in Las Vegas that actually took his life when we went home, because they said he couldn't deal with life anymore after CEDU.  They ran CEDU from what I understand a lot like the old Synanon in Santa Monica, CA.  In fact some of the older people who were there were from Synanon, and even the counselors, we had one guy who was a Sniper from NYC  He was hired as a counselor.  Nice Huh? I ended up living with a counselor who was fired eventually, she was the one who turned me out into the Lesbian lifestyle.  So much to tell, I could go on and on, this is just minor things.  I would really be interested in that documentary, I would think it would be interesting to have someone who was there in 1973 comparing what they went through with the same people all the ways into the late 1980s & 1990s and better yet, find out why these people who are still alive an well are allowed to continue to work and arent behind bars, where they deserve to be for totally destroying kids lifes for the past 30 plus years.  I would like to know how they got away with this?  I would like to know who is going to help all of these people they mentally messed up?  I know my life has never been the same.  I cant imagine the younger kids how they must be coping.  Please keep in contact with me, I want to see this through to the end!
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Re: Carlbrook
« Reply #2680 on: April 15, 2009, 09:22:29 PM »
HERE IS A SURVIVOR ACCOUNT OF CEDU, THE MOST INCLUSIVE ONE I'VE FOUND

I was Placed at CEDU Foundation In or about march 1973, when I arrived I had no idea, what so ever that the Dept. of Social Service was "dropping me off"  I was told I was just going to go for the day to see if I would like to stay there.  Within 1 hour, I found myself standing in a room with Mr. & Mrs. Wasserman, and Michael Allgood.  I was told that Michael would be my "family head" and if I had any questions or problems he would be in charge of it all.  I then, was taken into a room, and was told to sit in a chair while they cut my hair.  They cut my hair to where it was just a few inches short., They took my clothes and only left me with a few pair of pants and tops and sent the rest back with my social worker.  The reason I told for this was to "break your Image".  I was then taken into a room and a Nurse? examined me , and then I was told to shower.  I had never been in any place like this before, so I was already afraid.  I was told I couldn't write or see any family members for at least 3-6 months depending on if I followed the rules.  I hadnt been there much more than a few hours and I was called into a "Rap" session, there was probably 20 people at least in there, they were all yelling and screaming at each other, and I sat there just startled.  All of a sudden Michael Allgood started yelling at me, stating that I was not going to sit in these sessions and not speak, I told him, that this was all "new" to me, and he said if you want to make it here, you will do what you are told, I started to cry, and told him that I didn't want to stay, and he told me that my family didn't want me, that's why they dumped me there, and he said, the only reason why they took me was for the money they would get from the county.  He called me a lesbian, at the time I had no clue, that I was, and he said he thought I would learn to like it there real quick.  I was only 15 at the time, and just lost my mother, so all of this was pretty scary, considering this was just the first day there.  I learned to adjust, to play the game. and prayed that I would not get in Michaels way.  he was very verbally abusive with me and it never got better.  I eventually somehow, figured out to ask for a different family head over time.  I finally got John Stallone, he was basically the closest  person there with some sense of caring.  I dont recall bad times with john.  They had these rap Sessions that would last like 2  days they were called "profeets"  there would be a group maybe like 20 -25 people and they would lock you in this room with 2 or 3 counselors, and they would play very Loud music continously, this would go on and on, and they would yell, and tell you how fucked up you were, and you were useless, and would never amount to anything in life, a lot of the kids and adults there were either court placed some private placed, and most of them were drug abusers.  I never did drugs, until after I left Cedu.  they would continue this until someone would emotionally snap, once you did, they would move on to the next person, once in a profeet they made a black boy wash Michaels feet. Michael thought he was like God , he  called him the N word while this person washed his feet.  They would accuse the boys of performing beastility acts on the animals, I dont know for fact if that happened but I was told  it did as a punishement for the boys.    I was blamed for my mother's death.  I actually grew up after that believing that my actions as a Teen caused her to die, when in all reality, I was acting out because when I was 5yrs old, i was in a foster home, and was molested continually.  I never said anything, until it was too late. We would remain in these Profeets until everyone snapped and I never recall any food in there, we did get bathroom breaks and water breaks.  They said the less we had in our bodies made it easier for them to "cleanse" our souls. I guess when you are that young you will believe anything.  The Dorm Leaders, were usually someone who had been there for quite some time.  Most of the female ones were lesbian.  Well, a lot of the girls were Lesbians.  That's where I had my first Lesbian experience, with my dorm leader.  If you were straight, you could get what  they called your "Fucking Privledges" if you were interested with someone at least 6 months, and if you got past that, you would be allowed to have your privledges at 1 year.  However, that rule didn't seem to matter with the staff.  I know of cases where Rudy Bentz?  had his "special"  or favorite girls, if you wanted special trips to town, or pribledges you just had to know the right person to get what you wanted.  Gay or straight. They had this one punishement called "dishpan Dishpan was for those who either did something really wrong, or if you tried to split, and got caught, or got away and had to re enter cedu, oh, and when that happened that meant the boys got their head completely shaved, the girls hair was whacked, all uneven.  I got put on dishpan I think 2 or 3 times, the longest period I was on was for 2 weeks  but usually it ws just a 2 or 3 day thing.  When you were on dish pan you would work where ever they wanted to put you,  I once had to clean all the bathrooms, with a sign around my neck saying " I AM POISON"  that was Allgood's doing.  When I did the bathrooms I had to use buckets of bleach, and a toothbrush.  When someone would have to come use the bathroom, and Mike noticed, I would have to start all over.  No one could talk to you and you could not talk to anyone. except family heads or counselors, and only if you were spoken to.  The hours were like from 6am to 11pm you had to eat by yourself and quickly at that.  there was NO breaks.  One Dishpan I was on, I had to take all the trash out of one of those industrial size trashcans, climb in clean it with a tooth brush, then put the trash back in, another time I had to use a tootbrush on all the pool tiles and do the kitchen floors the same way, on your hands and knees. When I was on my last dishpan My hands were cracked and bleeding from all the bleach, and i would have to keep putting my hands in the bleach, I finally just couldn't feel them in the end. After that dishpan I got kicked out, and that was the happiest day of my life. They drove me in the middle of the night to some apt in reche canyon, we were there for about 1 hour, I dont know what    they were doing they locked me in the car with a counselor, when they came out they drove me to my sisters in LA and just dropped me off in front of her house and left, it was like midnight.  Thank God, they were home.  When I was at CEDU Mel wasserman used to send probably like a van load of us down to anaheim, san bernaardino, and surrounding shopping centers, and have us all out in the parking lots approaching people asking them for money.  We were told to them that we would be closed down if we didn't raise money for a new fire alarm system.  I did this for a few months, we would give them a raffle ticket, to what I have NO clue, but I remember when we got back to the lodge we would have to count up all the money, and I remember it being thousands of dollars, and sure enough we would be out the next day, only at a new shopping center, i remember going close to Los Angeles, and once thought I was so close to home, but I think by that time, I was starting to believe in CEDU.  In other words I was becoming like the rest of them....brainwashed.  I never even noticed if they had a fire alarm system or not. The worst things I can remember is the verbal abuse, the sex acts, and if you even mentioned it was something that you didn't want to be involved in you were told you would get sent to Juvenile Hall, some faced prison sentences,  or they would threaten you with somewhere much worse.  The Wassermans would eat in the living quarters at the time overlooked San Bernardino, I remember how they would order steak dinners and we would have to serve them, while we ate food which was donated, from the places we were out begging for money from.  This is just a touch of what I went through at Cedu, I know so much more, and went through so much more.  I know of one kid who lived in Las Vegas that actually took his life when we went home, because they said he couldn't deal with life anymore after CEDU.  They ran CEDU from what I understand a lot like the old Synanon in Santa Monica, CA.  In fact some of the older people who were there were from Synanon, and even the counselors, we had one guy who was a Sniper from NYC  He was hired as a counselor.  Nice Huh? I ended up living with a counselor who was fired eventually, she was the one who turned me out into the Lesbian lifestyle.  So much to tell, I could go on and on, this is just minor things.  I would really be interested in that documentary, I would think it would be interesting to have someone who was there in 1973 comparing what they went through with the same people all the ways into the late 1980s & 1990s and better yet, find out why these people who are still alive an well are allowed to continue to work and arent behind bars, where they deserve to be for totally destroying kids lifes for the past 30 plus years.  I would like to know how they got away with this?  I would like to know who is going to help all of these people they mentally messed up?  I know my life has never been the same.  I cant imagine the younger kids how they must be coping.  Please keep in contact with me, I want to see this through to the end!
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Re: Carlbrook
« Reply #2681 on: April 15, 2009, 09:25:29 PM »
Lil-T

My brother spent 2 years(give or take) at Rockey Mountain Academy. He knows Grant Price who now runs Carlbrook. His response to me when asked about him was, "The guy was a little faggot".
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Re: Carlbrook
« Reply #2682 on: April 20, 2009, 08:25:42 PM »
Ok, wow.

Parents, conspiracy theorists, all who have posted here: listen. I understand the deep, ethical questions aroused by the methods of the Carlbrook staff. I asked many of them in my time there. I sold weed, did a whole lot of ecstasy, failed out of high school, failed out of rehab, and got arrested all in my junior year of highschool. I went to Carlbrook, understood the program for what it was (a pause in my life which was undeniably detrimental) and miraculously got through with no time in suspension and became one of the "nerds or losers or kids who got sent there for nothing" as referred to by a previous post. Ill advised as that statement is, what the person said is true. The school would not function without student cooperation and "spying". Is that wrong though? Is it wrong to tell a staff member Suzy is cutting in the bathroom again? is it wrong to tell a staff member that students were talking about fucking in the bathrooms? These things that kids try and do there distract them from what they were sent there to be working on. Parents can feel guilt, I encourage mine not to. I got to a very good university, and I hope to go to law school. Please limit speculation as to what actually occurs there, you really do have no idea unless you've been there.
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Re: Carlbrook
« Reply #2683 on: April 20, 2009, 08:56:42 PM »
Quote from: "carlbrookgraddec07"
Ok, wow.

Parents, conspiracy theorists, all who have posted here: listen. I understand the deep, ethical questions aroused by the methods of the Carlbrook staff. I asked many of them in my time there. I sold weed, did a whole lot of ecstasy, failed out of high school, failed out of rehab, and got arrested all in my junior year of highschool. I went to Carlbrook, understood the program for what it was (a pause in my life which was undeniably detrimental) and miraculously got through with no time in suspension and became one of the "nerds or losers or kids who got sent there for nothing" as referred to by a previous post. Ill advised as that statement is, what the person said is true. The school would not function without student cooperation and "spying". Is that wrong though? Is it wrong to tell a staff member Suzy is cutting in the bathroom again? is it wrong to tell a staff member that students were talking about fucking in the bathrooms? These things that kids try and do there distract them from what they were sent there to be working on. Parents can feel guilt, I encourage mine not to. I got to a very good university, and I hope to go to law school. Please limit speculation as to what actually occurs there, you really do have no idea unless you've been there.

Oh yeah, and Tim Brace  was a member of a cult who imprisoned, tortured and murdered kids.

Pay no attention to the people saying theywere abducted, held prisoner, and tortured at Carlbrook. Believe me, an anonymous person. After all, what reason would someone possible have to lie to protect this money printing cultic enterprise?
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Re: Carlbrook
« Reply #2684 on: April 24, 2009, 10:21:02 PM »
Okay so I'm curious now... This may sound strange... But did Carlbrook ever encourage meditation? Or perhaps the running through of negative thoughts aloud... or perhaps both? Though each may seem to defeat the purpose of the other...
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