Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Brat Camp
Typical Day at Sagewalk
Anonymous:
Not really, but I do like camping and the outdoors. A NOLS or Outward Bound program would have rocked but those are far from cheap! The military might not have been bad either, someone ordering you around all day, lots of structure, a paycheck and a pension adjusted for inflation. And the possibility of being blown up with an RPG. Wheeee.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-07-28 16:09:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Not really, but I do like camping and the outdoors. A NOLS or Outward Bound program would have rocked but those are far from cheap! The military might not have been bad either, someone ordering you around all day, lots of structure, a paycheck and a pension adjusted for inflation. And the possibility of being blown up with an RPG. Wheeee."
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::ftard::
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-07-28 15:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
"If we lived in a perfect world parents would have lots of time to spend with their children and children would want to spend time with their parents. And I know people that have families like that. One of them is a third generation trust fund family and another has made lots of concessions. One car and one parent working, thrift store shopping, eat out once every couple months, no cable, no cell phones, dial-up cable connection and one computer that everyone shares. Those are two extremes... lots of families have two working parents, lots of fast food, long commute times to work and little time left for families. I may not necessarily agree with programs but Im trying to understand why parents make the choice. Im going out on a limb and saying its because they love their children and are hoping to have a better relationship with them. And some of the time this isnt the outcome.
And youre right, I wasnt a happy teenager and I didnt have happy parents but they loved me and did the best they could with what they had. I guess Im a bit of an optimist and would like to believe that most parents are doing the best they can too. "
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If by 'best' you mean that they try to force their kids to agree with them and be grateful all the time and have no genuine feelings of their own, I would have to agree.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-07-28 16:03:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Well, we all know what they say about good intentions so I won't go there...
but it seems you are suggesting you wish your parents had sent you to a program? OH BOY are you on the wrong forum. :rofl: "
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Im kinda new here but Ive seen a few posts that didnt completely slam programs. Im not for or against em - theyre just not for everyone. And when I think of the brainwashing aspect of it, wilderness programs dont seem as freakish/cultish as something like Landmark EDucation. That be some freaky shit.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-07-28 16:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-07-28 15:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
"If we lived in a perfect world parents would have lots of time to spend with their children and children would want to spend time with their parents. And I know people that have families like that. One of them is a third generation trust fund family and another has made lots of concessions. One car and one parent working, thrift store shopping, eat out once every couple months, no cable, no cell phones, dial-up cable connection and one computer that everyone shares. Those are two extremes... lots of families have two working parents, lots of fast food, long commute times to work and little time left for families. I may not necessarily agree with programs but Im trying to understand why parents make the choice. Im going out on a limb and saying its because they love their children and are hoping to have a better relationship with them. And some of the time this isnt the outcome.
And youre right, I wasnt a happy teenager and I didnt have happy parents but they loved me and did the best they could with what they had. I guess Im a bit of an optimist and would like to believe that most parents are doing the best they can too. "
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If by 'best' you mean that they try to force their kids to agree with them and be grateful all the time and have no genuine feelings of their own, I would have to agree."
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I cant speak for other parents and their motivation behind the decisions they make. But my mom was sick and tired of fighting with me and having to call the cops and she was physically afraid of me. She told me she did it because she loved me and I believe her. She also admitted that her own parents were not the best role models. Theres all sorts of fucked up shit that goes down in families and kids dont come with instructions. My parents were probably afraid that if I didnt get my shit together Id be an albatross hanging around their neck when they were 80 and in nursing homes. Im rambling but I bet if you research this topic in twenty-thirty years youll find second generation graduates of wilderness programs. The comment one of the earlier posters made about instilling dependency might be right on. Just look at the welfare programs in this country. Third generation recipients. Hmmmm.
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