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Shortbus:
You are correct about the running. If a kid wants to run Im notgoing to restrain them. I have asked kids  not to run at night because it was unsafe, to please wait until the morning. They agreed and thought things through and I suppose decided that maybe running wasnt the best idea. I tell kids to have a plan, to use some forethought. Why set yourself up for a life of running? So you run away from me, what comes next?

I had single sex groups and both sex groups. I had groups of twelve steppers. Every single group had kids from 14-17 years old, sometimes 18 too. After the first week kids were allowed to talk to one another but not unsupervised. eg. two kids werent allowed to go get water or firewood without an instructor with them. This policy protected both instructors and students. Another policy that was strongly enforced was that an instructor was never to be alone with a student. There was always to be another person present either student or instructor. Twosomes bad thressomes good. Individual instructors were never to have private conversations with students.

And programs are no different than jobs or school. If youre the new kid you look to the regulars to show you the ropes -whats ok, whats not ok. I tried to teach the kids that there were times when they would need to rely on someone else for help - just like life. And there would be times when you might need to help someone else out too. Just like life. I didnt pit kids against one another, but I did spend a lot of time trying to teach them to work together as a team.

And I agree, you are at a bit of a disadvantage when you wind up in a program. But then again, Ive dealt with some pretty awesome manipulators that had me tying myself in knots! Ill have to say that most of the kids Ive had in programs have been a helluva lot smarter than me.(and Im sure many are quick to add that I must be a dumbass for being a wilderness instructor.) And thats one of the reasons they wind up in a program - because theyre too damn smart for their own good.  [ This Message was edited by: Shortbus on 2005-08-25 21:55 ]

Antigen:

--- Quote ---On 2005-08-25 21:53:00, Shortbus wrote:

And thats one of the reasons they wind up in a program - because theyre too damn smart for their own good.

--- End quote ---


I don't understand. How can you come right out and say it like that and say it like it's a good thing you're doing? Why not just routinely drop newborn babies on their heads to eliminate that smarts problem? Why not just feed them all a lot of alcohol? That'll make `em all stupid enough for ya', wouldn't it?  :roll:
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Shortbus:
I try to not attach a judgement good or bad to my posts. I am describing the job. I never said what I did was "good" or "bad". My comment about smart kids isnt necessarily something with which I agree, its something Ive heard parents and therapists say. Does this help clarify. And why respond with something foolish like shaken baby and fetal alcohol syndrome? I guess I dont understand your point.

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Its never too late to procrastinate[ This Message was edited by: Shortbus on 2005-08-26 05:06 ]

OverLordd:
People are judged for what they say, you will be judged and I will be judged, when you tell us what something is about, or what happend, or what you did you will be judged for it. You were in a place to change what was happening, so you will be judged. Plus, if I shoot off my mouth I get judged, so does every one, if you dont wanna get judged dont say it.

Shortbus:
How do you know I didnt change things while I was there? Immediately judging people... where does that get you? So I guess Ill judge you as a...

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