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Typical Day at Sagewalk
Anonymous:
There have been just a FEW tragic incidents- just as there are with day care facilities, elder-care facilities etc. There have been a few programs that were more boot-camp than psychiatric in nature. Many on this board have taken these few incidents as an indictment against ALL programs. Most of the wilderness programs, emotional growth schools and substance abuse treatment facilities have caring staff with much expertise in the field. The leaders of many of the programs are passionate about helping teens. Yes, rules are strictly enforced. Yes, privileges have to be earned. The teens that are sent to these programs are not just coming in after curfew or smoking a few joints- they are engaging in behavior dangerous to themselves and others. They have, in many cases, been arrested. They have exhibited extreme violence towards their parents and siblings. The parents have exhausted all avenues- and I do mean ALL avenues. While the kids are at a wilderness program or therapeutic boarding school, the parents are working closely with the psychologist (a licensed person, in the case of all reputable programs) to examine family dynamics and how they can improve their relationship with their son or daughter. Painful disclosures might be made by the parents and the teens. Usually the teen admits to behavior way beyond what the parents had suspected.
These programs are not punitive. They are therapeutic. The therapists we worked with while our kid was in programs were the brightest and most gifted men and women I have ever met. Our kid would agree. Did he hate being at the program? Absolutely. Did he realize pretty quickly that his own conduct got him there? Yes. Did he come out a better person? No question.
Antigen:
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of it's victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busy-bodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those that torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."--C.S. Lewis, God In The Dock
I think the human race encountered Peak Intelligence decades or centuries ago. The human race has been degrading into imbeciles ever since.
Eric Hufschmid
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Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2005-07-31 12:59:00, Anonymous wrote:
As for the programs themselves, I was unaware that anyone had died as a result of the treatment allowed at these camps. Where are the police?????? Why aren't these MURDERERS in jail????????????? If a parent spanked their child for misbehaving in public, society and the law would react more harshly than they obviously have to these programs. This is an outrage!!!!!!!!!!
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Well, occasionally, the law makes a nice gesture toward doing the right thing.
http://leehiphopshow.ipbhost.com/lofive ... t3687.html
I think he only got like 4 - 6 years or something. But it's just damned hard to get a serious investigation, even in extreme cases. Fact is, kids have no credibility on our society, especially those who's own parents will testify against them. It's not hard for a reasonably intelligent adult to manipulate a kid into acting out. It's damned near impossible for the kid to understand, far less explain, how that happened.
All of these comforting and reasonable things were taught by the ministers in their pulpits -- by teachers in Sunday schools and by parents at home. The children were victims. They were assaulted in the cradle -- in their mother's arms. Then, the schoolmaster carried on the war against their natural sense, and all the books they read were filled with the same impossible truths. The poor children were helpless. The atmosphere they breathed was filled with lies -- lies that mingled with their blood.
--Robert G. Ingersoll, American politician and lecturer
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Anonymous:
--- Quote ---The teens that are sent to these programs are not just coming in after curfew or smoking a few joints-
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That's EXACTLY what my parents sent me to one for.
OverLordd:
Few tragic insidentent? Whats a few? A one digit number? a two digit number? I mean come on. We are talking murders here. One death is never too few to shut a place down. And you compare it to a elder-care facility. I don?t think the people at the elder-care people were laughing at the old people, calling them fakers, and druggies. And yes, guess what a few incidences is enough to indeed every one in the industry because these places are wide spread. Its not like it was in one program, or one person that did this, it?s across the industry things like this happen. To note the wilderness people may have knowledgeable therapy people, but they do not have knowledgeable wilderness people. I would not trust any of my charges with these people.
You also talk about privileges being earned, well guess what, even death row inmates get mail that is not read. The mail is a right that is extended to every one. To read it is a violation of civil rights and federal laws. This happens throughout the industry.
You say parents work closely with therapists to see if this is the right thing and to see that all avenues are broached. Well I call you a liar! My friend was sent off with no consult to anyone, and a few quick searches on the web.
These programs are plenty punitive, and indeed they tend to hurt those that come in contact with them. Is it not punitive to take a city kid, that has never gone on a hike in his life and toss him into a 8 week woods camp? The kid has no knowledge and is I'll prepared for what could be a life and death experience if anything goes wrong. It can change quickly, as I know. Forcing children to be strip searched, forcing children to eat their food, LIKE 3 YEAR OLDS, and offering shit for food. Is very punitive.
Indeed, if parents put themselves through the same thing, they would balk and sue the people. But you don?t, because you have not balls to do it. Remember never ask some one to do something you would not do. And indeed, you would never willngly go to prison.
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