Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS)
If they only knew....
Antigen:
Phoenix, your argument is (as usual) w/o an basis in reason. No one's saying LGA is ineffective. In fact, it's quite effective. Ask anyone who was in Jonestown, Guyana on November 18, 1978.... oh yeah, you can't. They all drank the kool aid... except the children, who were forced to do it by their parents.
If all your friends at the next seminar decided to go jump in a lake, would you do it to? Please? It'll give you super-human enlightenment and eternal life. I promise!
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It (the Bible) is full of interest. It has noble poetry in it; and some clever fables; and some blood-drenched history; and some good morals; and a wealth of obscenity; and upwards of a thousand lies.
--Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain", American author and humorist
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Anonymous:
Antigen - what's the comparison with Jonestown intended to accomplish? Other than your attempt at brainwashing? That part is transparent. Let's fear "fear."
Seminars are just one piece of changing. If your life is working perfectly, then there's no need to look at ways to make it better. Mine will never be perfect - why would I want it to be? I'm having too much fun being imperfect.
PHX :wink:
Anonymous:
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Lifespring v.2 doesn't teach how to communicate better. It doesn't teach how to "love better" (what the hell does that mean?). It doesn't teach you how to get over addictions or traumas or your past.
It does teach you to lose your ability to think critically. It does teach you to depend on the cult and to consider it your saviour. It does teach you never to question their methods and ideology.
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If Lifespring doesn't help to live better as an individual, then they aren't similar in any way with Premier seminars. THey did from what I've read.
As far as depending on the group? What? That's so far from fact it's funny. Even in seminar it's not "group think", it independent thinking and that's always been the intention. What's your purpose in saying this?
Another Fornits cult group think statment?? Yes, the attempts at brainwashing are apparent and transparent.
Wonder if Rick Ross will start to include this forum in his Cult watch list?
PHX :wink:
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---If Lifespring doesn't help to live better as an individual, then they aren't similar in any way with Premier seminars. THey did from what I've read.
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So now you're defending both cults. At least we know where you stand. Looks like you missed all the accounts of those who were harmed by Lifespring. Not surprising, considering how easily you ignore the hundreds of people who've been harmed by WWASP.
--- Quote --- As far as depending on the group? What? That's so far from fact it's funny. Even in seminar it's not "group think", it independent thinking and that's always been the intention. What's your purpose in saying this?
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I'm saying it because it's true. You have become dependent on WWAP, PHX. You sit here spewing their ideology, you defend each and every one of their methods, you refuse to consider any alternative point of view.
It's group think at its worst. And, no, it doesn't matter how many times your Visions community will tell you that we're all "lying manipulators". It doesn't even matter how many times you tell yourself you're a "joyful, loving, confident woman!!!". Nothing will change the fact that you have been recruited into a very dangerous cult, and that you have become dependent on their ideology, as evident in your posts.
--- Quote --- Another Fornits cult group think statment?? Yes, the attempts at brainwashing are apparent and transparent.
Wonder if Rick Ross will start to include this forum in his Cult watch list?
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Go read a little about brainwashing before you post, please. Unlike what's going on in the program, no one is making you participate in the discussions here. Unlike in the seminars, no one here is going to go out of their way to scare or pressure you if you don't reveal your "deepest, darkest secret". Unlike in the porgram, no one here is going to put you in OP if you state a contrary opinion.
As for Rick Ross, he has included WWASP on his lists. And for a good reason, too-- it belongs there.
Antigen:
Phoenix, if you have the courage, you should read up on Jim Jones; how he got his start (promising to cure junkies through the grace of God), running afowl of domestic law and local sensibilities, taking his flock to So. America and, eventually, saving them from a dreaded life w/o his leadership by convincing them all to kill themselves and their children. It's a really fascinating story.
BTW, why, exactly, does the troubled parent industry have so many facilites outside the country?
so long as the priest, that professional negator, slanderer and poisoner of life, is regarded as a superior type of human being, there cannot be any answer to the question: What is truth?
--Freidrich Nietzsche, German philosopher
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