Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS)
If they only knew....
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-07-11 11:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
This Karen was closed from the beginning, so her interpretation was much different from the other 50 or 100 or more individuals attending. She didn't want to be there and went because she said she had to.
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Blame it on the victim. It's the WWASPie way. :roll:
--- Quote --- It is NOT a fact that everyone that attends is a parent of a kid in a WWASPS program. Anyone can attend, so there goes your program cult accusation.
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No, that only reinforced my cult accusation. Cults like WWASP do whatever they can to attract new recruits. Why limit the Lifespring seminars to only one group of people, if you can scam and defraud so many others? It only makes sense that they will try many different ways to recruit people.
--- Quote --- This Karen went how many years ago?
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What does that matter? WWASP is still doing the same old shit. Some of the lingo or procedures may have changed, but the core of the experience is the same. Break them down, create dependency on the group, feed in whatever ideology you want, and end the whole thing with a huge love bombing fest.
--- Quote --- Personal growth seminars - are everywhere! BUsinesses are bringing them inhouse, there are hundreds of reasons people are choosing to spend 3 days from morning til night gaining more personal insight and a better way to live. Just google personal growth seminars.
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Lifespring semianrs, which is what WWASP offers, have nothing to do with "insights" or "personal growth". They have everything to do with breaking people down, making them dependent on the group, and convincing them they have reached some "enlightenment" (or as WWASP calls it, "they got it". Notice how they never really expalin what "it" means).
--- Quote --- You act like WWASPS has the lock and key on parents. They are only required to go to one and choose to complete many more. It's not about brainwashing. That's the "pat" scapegoat answer to your fears.
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Oh, but they do. WWASP does not lock them parents in physically, like they do with the kids. On the parents, they use intense psychological pressure to get them to stay. They take desperate people who are hurting and who will anything to help their children. They tell them that the program is going to help. They reinforce the parents' fears and anxieties. They lock the parents in, alright.
And, yes, it is all about brainwashing. Look up "Lifespring". Look up "Korean POW camps". That is where the program started. That is what it is designed to do. The program is designed to convince people they have been "saved", and to recruit more followers.
WWASP is a dangerous, abusive cult. No point in denying it, WWASPie-- the truth is out.
Anonymous:
True - the seminars are based on LifeSpring and has evolved to something better, from what I've read and experienced. My life is based on my parents and has evolved into something better, too. (My opinion)
When I went to the Discovery seminar, there were around 50 people.
Antigen - Your remarks about Karen - this one of the places you and I are having fun disagreeing/debating. Neither of us is wrong, or right. It's our view. My view, from what I've read, is that she took offense to someone asking her to get real. That's okay. It's not for me to judge. She didn't want to be there and took it very negatively and wrote about it based on her experience.
What is fact, not opinion, is that those same seminars are full - around a hundred in each from what I've heard. Let's just look at the numbers in Discovery if that is still true: 100 people per Discovery seminar. They are in several cities - 7 I think and are held about every 3 months in each one. So do the math. That's a lot of people. How many of them over the years have felt invaded or whatever Karen felt? Very, very few. So as you say, I'm a sucker. Thank GOD, I'm a sucker.
If learning to communicate better, learn to love better, reach goals, get over negative addictions, get over past "stuff," is being brainwashed....get out the sponge!
PHX - hey, maybe the heat is getting to me...LOL!
Anonymous:
The WWASP seminars so ridiculous, if they change your life somehow for the better, well, you really DO need help. I can't possibly see how these seminars would be taken seriously by people not in the program. It just goes to show, there's a sucker born every minute.
Janet:
PHX, I read Karen's message ages ago. What struck me was that she became upset when the manipulaters of the seminar asked her to do things that went against her Mormon religion. She was not the first Mormon to write against WWASP, which, by the way, is largely a Mormon organization/company.
My ex-friend also complained about the Discovery Seminar. Just as an aside, she was Catholic. However, she didn't like the seminar folks requiring the participants to be at the meeting room of the hotel very early, and then not opening the locked doors of the meeting room until several hours later. The parents had to wait in the hotel lobby which had few chairs for the large group. She also didn't like the requirement of giving very personal information. But, unlike Karen Bean, she bought the WWASP program hook, line, and sinker.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---True - the seminars are based on LifeSpring and has evolved to something better, from what I've read and experienced. My life is based on my parents and has evolved into something better, too. (My opinion)
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Not better. Just more effective. You, and others like you, have lost the ability to think critically and examine what was done to you. The WWASP cult did a good job on you. They taught oyu to conform, to follow, and to depend on the group-- and yo call it "enlightenment" and "help". That is a pretty sad situation.
--- Quote --- Antigen - Your remarks about Karen - this one of the places you and I are having fun disagreeing/debating. Neither of us is wrong, or right. It's our view. My view, from what I've read, is that she took offense to someone asking her to get real. That's okay. It's not for me to judge. She didn't want to be there and took it very negatively and wrote about it based on her experience.
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Duane wasn't asking her to "get real". He was being verbally abusive. Are you trying to tell me you won't find it offensive or alarming if a man came near you and told you he would rape you or kill you?
Karen, as well as the other victims, were being verbally and psychologically abused by the seminar facilitators. The reason the others didn't respond as she did was because they were manipulated by WWASP and their seminar staff to believe they needed to be there and that this would help them.
--- Quote --- How many of them over the years have felt invaded or whatever Karen felt? Very, very few. So as you say, I'm a sucker. Thank GOD, I'm a sucker.
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Many of them, I believe. But not all of them were able to sort out their experiences, or had the courage to write and warn people about WWASP.
Falling for a treatment cult, putting your child at risk, and taking blood money-- by yhour admission, you do or did all these things-- is nothing to be proud of.
--- Quote --- If learning to communicate better, learn to love better, reach goals, get over negative addictions, get over past "stuff," is being brainwashed....get out the sponge!
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WWASP/Lifespring v.2 doesn't teach how to communicate better. It doesn't teach how to "love better" (what the hell does that mean?). It doesn't teach you how to get over addictions or traumas or your past.
It does teach you to lose your ability to think critically. It does teach you to depend on the cult and to consider it your saviour. It does teach you never to question their methods and ideology.
As I said before-- there is nothing to be proud about in the situation you're in. It's just plain sad.
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