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Anonymous:
What wonderful Drama! Reality show concept in a WebLog Format. I'd suggest contacting ABC, NBC, CBS to see if they would cover it. ABC has conflict since they are broadcasting Brat Camp. "Ok, let make fire with a stick, Take 7, ACTION" Oh, forgot about Fox. They may be interested. Not worthy of a reality Show? A REAL reality show... Let's see if 60 minutes is interested. How about 20-20...oops, Disney wouldn't go for that since they own Brat Camp. Maybe Oprah would take interest in the poor kids who are sent there by a misaligned parent who conspires to get back at their Ex-Spouse. Hmmmm, I can punish her/him by taking our kid and sending him off to boot camp...I mean brat camp....Oops I mean "Wilderness therapy Experience". This describes your kid doesn't it? You are saying he didn't deserve to be there? Just a pawn in the Battle of the Roses Chess Game?
It's time to pull out the punches. Call Dr. Phil. Have him get the disputing parents in front of him and he will fix it. If Dr. Phil is booked, Call Jerry Springer. He will take anything.
I've read this complete string, start to finish (I feel sorry for Deborah!). I read it again. No one is making money except the brat camps and maybe their lawyers. Who is REALLY caring for the kids. Why should they be punished to Hell on earth for the rest of their lives? Has anyone read Lord of the Flies lately or Catch 22? I think Mr. Golding and Mr. Heller did a great job.
Hey ACLU...Any Civil Liberties at Stake here? Any religious involvement? Do Brat Camps offer church services in the wilderness? Any Rabbi's, priests, pastors or mullah's concerned about their flock being in Utah? Is there anyone at Red Cliff's who is Morman, a member of the Church of LDS or a graduate of Brigham Young University? Any $$ going from Rich Jewish Parents in Connecticut to Red Cliffs to the Church in Salt Lake City? Is that foreign exchange?
Seriously folks...Don't forget about the Kids. They are NOT always Guilty!
Deborah:
***Any religious involvement? Do Brat Camps offer church services in the wilderness?
Yeh, some religious involvement with certain programs. Not sure about Redcliff, wilderness in general.
***Any Rabbi's, priests, pastors or mullah's concerned about their flock being in Utah?
Should be. Heavy mormon/republican influence in the industry http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... 25&forum=9
****Is there anyone at Red Cliff's who is Morman, a member of the Church of LDS or a graduate of Brigham Young University?
Oh yes. At least six. One is a faculty member.
http://www.redcliffascent.com/staff.html
***Any $$ going from Rich Jewish Parents in Connecticut to Red Cliffs to the Church in Salt Lake City? Is that foreign exchange?
Dunno. But there?s a lot of money going to the church through tithing by program owners/staff, and a large amount to politicians
***Hey ACLU...Any Civil Liberties at Stake here?
I wouldn't discourage anyone from contacting every org/agency they can think of, but my effort was fruitless. Here are a few of the responses of those who even bothered to respond:
ACLU
Thank you for writing to the ACLU of Texas. Generally we don't handle family law issues, and this part about the school sounds out of the scope of things we handle, too. My suggestion would be that you contact children's advocacy
groups, and possibly even MHMR organizations, in case they have some experience with this particular school or the kind of situation you're
talking about. I'm sorry I don't have any specific groups in mind, but I would suggest you try looking on the web for these kinds of groups.
Sorry we can't be of more assistance to you.
Youth Law Center
Dear Ms. XXXXXXXXXXX,
I'm sorry but we cannot help you.
Sincerely, Mamie Yee
Alexia Parks
Two top lawyers in this field are in Texas: Jim Moriarty, Houston, TX, 800-677-7095;
and Win Turley, Dallas, (214)691-4025. They do handle out of state cases. [Neither interested]
One of the most useful responses I received:
PTAVE
Hi Deborah,
Thank you to writing to PTAVE. I am writing to you as a social worker, and as a counselor who interned in a "therapeutic" residential home which was more punitive than "therapeutic". However, I live and work in a part of the
country where it is illegal to hit or physically assault children, so thankfully the kids here do not have to suffer that form of abuse.
You were not specific about what type of abuse your son may be experiencing (physical, sexual, emotional) so I cannot be specific in my answer. However, if you believe that abuse is in fact occuring and the TX state Dept. of Youth Services is failing to take proper action, you must see legal advice. Unfortunatly I am unaware of any lawyers in your area who are child advocates. You will need to consult with several lawyers until you find one dedicated to children's rights. I assume that you probably will need to proceed with legal action in the state in which the school is located, however, I am not certain of this.
You can help your case by calling your son's program and asking them to mail or FAX you a mission statement that defines their "therapeutic" goals and the specific manner in which they assist children in reaching these goals. Behavior Modification programs often have sweet sounding mision statements in order to impress their funding and referral sources. It is well known that therapeutic services to adolescents must be based on a model that treats trauma, views negative behaviors as a response to trauma and employs positive reinforcement in order to correct those behaviors. Ask about their
"therapeutic" orientation, framework and techniques. Often these places have young kids out of high school or otherwise scantly trained workers without degrees in psychology working for them, providing "therapy". Ask how workers
are trained.
I hope some of this is helpful. Please continue to advocate in your son's behalf if you feel that he may be at risk. Many children come out of
residential facilities with a strong, angry, hard edge to them. It is like a callous that they have learned to build up after repeated violations of
their human dignity by staff and fellow cohorts.
XXXXXXXXX
Social Worker
tommyfromhyde1:
--- Quote ---On 2005-08-13 18:45:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
Someone already mentioned Hyde Park is associated with Redcliffe. I had a boy from Three Springs go to Hyde Park for a year after he graduated. I saw him one more time for some aftercare, and asked him how he liked the place, and the response was vague. He sort of looked like one of those strung out Vietnam Vets with a 1000 yard stare.
--- End quote ---
The punitive boarding school is called simply
Hyde School, not Hyde Park, unless we're talking
about different places. Note that I said PUNITIVE
and not theraputic. No therapy happens in these
places.
Don't hate the media. Become the media
--Jello Biafra
--- End quote ---
Deborah:
It's Hyde School. Only link under 'TRADITIONAL' BS. How'd they get that classification?
RTC
Discovery Ranch
THERAPEUTIC BSs
Telos RTC
Discovery Academy
San Cristobal Ranch Academy
Benchmark Young Adult School
http://www.redcliffascent.com/resources.html
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-08-13 13:39:00, tommyfromhyde1 wrote:
"I hate to be the one to tell you this but Redcliff
may just be the beginning of your son's ordeal.
Redcliff seems to have an ongoing relationship
of some kind with an outfit called Hyde Schools."
--- End quote ---
I hate to break it to you but they also have a relationship with an even scarier outfit called Discovery Academy, which they part-own. Check out this forum for tales of racist bigotry, harsh punishments, beatings and rapes (both heterosexual and homosexual varieties):
http://www.discovery-academy-forum.com
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