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Anonymous:
I am not an expert in the Child custody/support law as it stands in America however it is my understanding there are inter state agreements in place. This is how they can collect child support no matter where child and parent are. Try one of the fathers rights sites. Maybe they can give you some ideas on what has or hasnt worked in the past for some of them.
Deborah:
****Morally, at least (legally remains to be seen) they have no right to deny my husband access to his son. But they very arrogantly state their "policies" allow them to do so. I find it very hard to believe that any BUSINESS has the right to keep a parent from his child. It's the moral equivalent of kidnapping. None of this makes any sense.****
That?s total bullshit and standard industry manipulation. Their policies have NO legal standing. In effect they are saying that the owner of the program allows them to do it.
They are colluding in the kidnapping of this boy and the violation of his father's rights.
My sons were involved with three different programs and all attempted to deny my rights, as per their father?s request.
What I learned during my ordeal- Your court ordered rights supersede any program?s policies re: contact and visitation, records, etc; unless they have been removed by another court order.
I suggest that you consider changing your strategy by showing up at the facility with decree in hand, stating that it is your court appointed time to visit your son and demand they release him. Get police back up if necessary. Don?t announce that you are coming. And do not, under any circumstances leave until he is in your custody. Go out into the field and find him if necessary.
Take him home and be done with it, unless mom decides to take issue.
If she?s stupid enough to do that, you?ve got ample documentation to show just cause for your action. Get your documentation in order in case it's needed.
You are absolutely correct, this is not the first time they have dealt with custody disputes. They are dragging it out as DJ stated. It?s simply not an issue for them unless a non-supportive parent has the time and resource to make it an issue.
Go get the boy on the next regularly scheduled time for a visit and defend yourself if that becomes necessary. Force THEM to take action to keep him there.
Kick some ass.
tommyfromhyde1:
I hate to be the one to tell you this but Redcliff
may just be the beginning of your son's ordeal.
Redcliff seems to have an ongoing relationship
of some kind with an outfit called Hyde Schools.
They have campuses in Bath, Maine and Woodstock, Conn.
I know from other posters that Hyde sends kids
who they can't brainwash to Redcliff. I also
think that Redcliff uses Hyde as a sort of
"halfway house". Hyde's program is what I call
"gulag-lite", lots of forced exercise, lots of
staff and "Seniors" screaming in people's faces
and they even have a sort of "mini-wilderness"
in the summer. The good news is that it's not
lock-down so if your ex puts him there you might
have an easier time getting him out. Also since
you're located in NH you don't have to fight
long-distance so much.
Good luck,
Tommy
Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.
--Isaac Asimov, Russian-born American author
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Notafriendofredcliff:
Okay I took off my paper bag and I'm no longer anonymous. This has been so helpful I decided to register. I take responsibility for what I say, and I invite Redcliff Ascent to challenge me on any of it.
We're out of options for a quiet, polite solution to this. We can't document any abuse or neglect, and sure hope it stays that way. There was allegedly an Interstate Compact form signed, but nobody will acknowledge it. Family court in NH is so biased against men that we couldn't get an order from them to remove him. We DID get the order that we have full rights to all his information....but Redcliff doesn't care. If / When we could / couldn't get an order from Utah, it would be too late. We could just show up there, but we have no clue where to look for him. He's out in the middle of nowhere. Redcliff has little offices all over the place. But it takes them 24 hours to bring your child to a civilized place you can drive a vehicle to, and that's only when they will ALLOW you to pick him up. We don't get visitation time again until Christmas. And we couldn't get temporary physical custody to take him out and bring him home with us. So as far as the practical issues go, we're screwed.
This practice needs to be stopped, and it's all a matter of public awareness. It's ludicrous to think some BUSINESS ENTITY in another state, with minimal operating expenses (low-salary workers, lots of dried oats), and not even the expense of providing shelter for these children, has the right to separate a father from his son. Okay, they DO have expenses. They paid a firm to enhance their website, so they could get increased exposure and attract new clients. It worked. Their business has increased 30% since implementing this. Has the need for wilderness "therapy" increased 30% or are they just more appealing to a larger share of parents without a clue? Ahhh....the FOR-PROFIT teen "help" industry.
I'm digressing here....
We WILL find the most dedicated attorney we can find, one who has experience dealing with these programs. Our attorney died a few months ago, and we haven't had the need for one since. We do our own Family Court stuff, as we never win anyway. (A Commission conducted a study of family court fairness recently and in their report said many have complained of biased judges & Marital Masters in this area. Fathers don't stand a chance in Family Court here). We've never been in any court other than Family Court before, so we WILL need to find the most experienced attorney possible, and preferably one with long, jagged teeth. If we find we have no legal recourse to help this child, I will make it my personal crusade to spread the word about their policies, and their disregard for the rights of children & parents.
In the meantime we'll just try to comfort each other. We can't stop shaking long enough to sleep. We are like the walking dead.
Anonymous:
The courts will intervene if it is a matter of health, welfare, and safety of this young person which it seems to be. Take the custody battle out of it, and put the child's health, welfare, and safety in the front and God they better react.
Andrea
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