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tommyfromhyde1:
--- Quote ---On 2005-08-14 11:23:00, Deborah wrote:
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It's Hyde School. Only link under 'TRADITIONAL' BS. How'd they get that classification?
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They get it because they accept a lot of non-gulag
kids (i.e. siblings). Also, they recruit talented
jocks from the ghetto as ringers for their sports
teams with "scholarships". BTW most of the day
to day forced exercise I referred to happens in
(brutal) sports practices. That way when a kid
complains about it he's dismissed as "complaining
about sports". That spot between my shoulder
blades still hurts from being shoved along on runs
whenever I think about it.
Religion is just mind control.
--George Carlin, comedian
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Shortbus:
I remember having a student who could not be released from the program until both parents were in agreement about where he would go next. The student was from Tennessee and I believe the parents lived there too. And so, the student was in wilderness for nineteen weeks. He hiked over 500 miles. He was a great kid, took it all in stride, realized it was a battle of the wills between his parents.
I can hear the conversations between Redcliffe and the mother about placement after wilderness. Euwww, Im sorry this is happening to you and husband and son. Keep copius notes, record converstions if possible and try not to come across as too agitated or agressive with Redcliffe, unfortunately, theyve got the ball and are following the lead of mom.
Best of luck, and keep good notes. As lawyers like to say "If its not written down, it never happened."
Deborah:
Well, there's their first strike. Fraud.
Traditional boarding schools do not warehouse kids 24/7/365, provide any form of therapy or BM, do not interfere with contact with parents, do not deny home visits for academic incompletes, blah, blah, blah.
We all know the many reasons they do not fit the catergory.
How does this benefit them? Do you know if they are licensed Tommy?
Notafriendofredcliff:
We're so grateful for all the responses, advice and input! Really.....THANKS!!! You're helping to keep us sane!
From your input, we realize the immediate need to inform everyone, in writing, that we won't tolerate him being placed in any follow-up facility. This may help us avoid future tragedy for this child.
Here's the issue....We heard (through the grapevine/spies) that if it looks like the child will need to stay at Redcliff beyond the initial 30 day minimum, the enrolling parent is notified by "Day 20", and has to agree & make arrangements to pay for the extra time. Rumor has it, this has already happened, and they have estimated two additional weeks. As of now, it appears his overall stay could be 45 days (which would make him 3 weeks late entering high school). And that's assuming he's finished the Program then. Could be longer. They charge $425 per day until they reach 60 days (that's a lot of beans & oats!)...then it goes down to $175 per day.
Soooo.....Every extra day of high school he misses gets him further & further behind his peers. He's not strong academically to begin with. And having had this horrific experience is not going to help. I wonder if they will use this situation to justify placing him in one of their boarding schools. Will they say he needs to stay even longer at Redcliff just so they can totally screw up his education, and then offer Discovery or one of their other affiliates as an "alternative"? This sounds like something out of a conspiracy movie, but from what I'm hearing, it's possible, even likely.
I am now essentially a full-time, dedicated researcher of Redcliff's history, their policies, their legal dealings, etc. I want to make sure this doesn't happen to any other parent or child. I am learning some EXTREMELY interesting things about the way they operate....such as: Parents sign an agreement to allow Redcliff to restrain, detain, and control the child with reasonable physical force. This can be used to prevent the child from running away, or in any other circumstances Redcliff considers appropriate. The parents waive any claims for injuries, illnesses or other damages to the child. Doesn't sound like a loving environment to me. I'd want someone taking care of my child who would accept responsibility for keeping him safe and healthy.
They also accept enrollment applications from anyone who (truthfully or not) represents themselves as the child's parent(s), and they are absolved of any liability for the misrepresentation. They are not required to verify or validate ANY information given to them by the enrolling parties. They say in the contract that they shall be entitled to rely on the representations of the signing "sponsors" with respect to all the information they are given....and that the "sponsors" agree to be forthright and truthful. I just don't think that's quite enough due diligence for a business charged with caring for troubled children. They should AT LEAST be willing to make a few phone calls (and maybe the FIRST one they should make is to the child's clueless father!), verify or validate SOMETHING about the information on the application, and bear SOME responsibility. I think that in cases of missing children, a wilderness therapy facility might be a good place to start looking for the child. What an effective way to hide a child! They take your WORD for it that you have the legal right to place the child, and the child is stashed away somewhere in vast miles of desert for a good long stay.
They are also authorized to transport your child by every imaginable means, including using the PERSONAL vehicles, motorcycles, or 4-wheelers owned by their EMPLOYEES. The only method not specifically mentioned was dragging.
And of course, the enrolling parent is responsible for expenses related to hunting down and recapturing the child if he escapes their clutches. From articles I've read, this is not uncommon.
Overall, why would any intelligent, loving parent agree to this stuff? I can understand if a parent is truly frightened for their child's life, and has exhausted all other options. But in our case, this was just used as a babysitting service for the mother. There is no legitimate reason for him to be there.
Redcliff bases their program on removing anything that could be DISTRACTING to the child....TV, computer, phones, good food, a comfortable bed, friends and family...so the child can concentrate on himself and his issues. And this makes it very easy for Redcliff to operate. But I don't believe for one minute that it's necessary to strip a child of every comfort of life along with his very dignity, to help him. Aren't the kids "distracted" by having to build fires, cook their own tasteless gruel, using the bathroom outdoors with no privacy, suffering and hiking in extreme temperatures carrying heavy loads? I sure would be distracted. I'd be SO distracted by this, that after a while, I would just give up and comply with anything they asked....Agree to whatever they wanted....surrender my dignity....cease any normal thought process. Hey, then I'd be ready to graduate from the program!
And shame on anyone who would put their child into a facility that had participated in the Brat Camp TV series. I haven't seen it myself, but I understand the original series was with British kids at Redcliff. If this is THERAPY (vs. punishment), since when is therapy televised? These kids were not old enough to legally sign away their rights, so their parents did in exchange for the tuition. Isn't that like a form of prostitution? Unfortunately in our society, you have to prove you are proficient to operate a motor vehicle....But anyone is allowed to reproduce.
Deborah:
Brilliant work and analysis NCL.
Yep, they may well try to keep him beyond time for school to start. Starting late should not be an issue. Hire a tutor.
The contract stuff is pretty standard as is much of what you shared. They collaborate at the industry assoc meetings about how to word things and avoid. Perfecting manipulation.
Here are some links for your research:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=5433&forum=9
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=2843&forum=9
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=7312&forum=9
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... rt=0#89754
Here?s my working file on Redcliff, which I haven?t updated in some time. Please post links to anything relevant you might find. Next step would be to search the players. Where have they worked before, etc.
REDCLIFF ASCENT St. George, Provo, Springville, Utah
Website: http://www.redcliffascent.com/
NATSAP Member
Member NATWC
http://www.natwc.org/camps/Redcliff%20A ... 20Inc..htm
2/1994 Darrell Lewis, Admissions, describes services
http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives ... /np04.html
7/1995 Desperate for summer staff. 75 teens out on trips.
http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives ... een01.html
10/1995 Matt Fitzgerald Ex Adm Dir, Lon?s Review, tight/flexible enough to handle any child
http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives ... sit01.html
6/1996 Darrell Lewis, homepage running for six mo, had appr 2,000 hits, avg one inquiry per week.
http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives ... ews07.html
10/1996 Review sent to Strugglingteens by Mitch Cole, spotless record
http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives ... ews04.html
10/1998 Add?l phase for graduates and 2-3 monthers
http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives ... een01.html
12/1999 Scott and Steve Peterson co-founders, Authorities search for Runaway boys
http://www.teenliberty.org/RedCliffs.htm
12/2000 Charles Siebert,NY Times Mag,reports on trip to Redcliff Ascent in Utah to follow up national news stories about several youth who had run away
http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives ... een01.html
2/2000 Lengthy article in FREEP founded 11 yrs ago for juvenile justice sentencing. By 1993, cofounder Scott Petersen had received so many inquiries, he opened it to private citizens.
http://www.freep.com/news/childrenfirst ... 000217.htm
3/2000 Lengthy article at Outside Magazine
http://www.outsidemag.com/magazine/2000 ... dway1.html
7/2001 Steve Nadauld, Dir of Adm, formalized curriculum around the values of ?Courage, Self Discipline, Respect, Honesty, Work Ethic, Trust and Compassion,? and have updated their brochure, video and web site to reflect the new changes.
http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives ... een01.html
3/2004 Guardian article about Brat Camp- UK teens sent to RA. Quotes Stettler, ?"Each camp has at least an annual review?two unannounced monitoring visits. But Skyline Journey, where that child died, had been reviewed on a regular basis." Stettler is convinced the wilderness camps are a useful tool. "They are not a panacea? "The idea is that they take a kid from a defiant, rebellious, non-workable state to one where they are workable. That's when the work really starts, when the kid wants to make some changes."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,36 ... 44,00.html
[BTW, the Utah DHS promotes Wilderness at their website. Search WWF for Stettler to see how many times he has overlooked violations.]
Personal experiences with Redcliff
http://www.sociopranos.com/forums/threa ... &start=226
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