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« Reply #1515 on: December 27, 2006, 10:47:02 AM »
hanzomon,
Carlbrook is a CEDU spin-off. Roots in Synanon.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=232942#232942
On Psychotherapy Cults
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... 152#225152
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« Reply #1516 on: December 27, 2006, 11:12:05 AM »
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Just think today it is Fat kids tomorrow they could do it with the mentally retarded!


Program parents?

Now that would be a reality show.
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« Reply #1517 on: December 27, 2006, 11:42:35 AM »
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So how does an emotional growth school do things differently?
in the event that a kid does well academically at Carlbrook are they allowed to opt out of anything in the Emotional growth area on the grounds that they have decided that this is not a form of therapy or growth which works for them?
if not what happens to recalcitrant kids?


They're sent to Wilderness.
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« Reply #1518 on: December 27, 2006, 12:07:54 PM »
You only get sent back to wilderness for serious violations- such as harming someone or yourself, or absolutely refusing to engage in group sessions or individual sessions with your counselor.
Otherwise, you are put on a program, which can mean writing assignments, chores or meetings with staff and/or students.
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« Reply #1519 on: December 27, 2006, 12:27:21 PM »
In california if your therapists thinks you are a harm to yourself or others they are required to report it and probably end up getting a 72 hour hold if they think youre serious. If a kid were to slice up their arms, or hurt themselves at Carlbrook would they be sent to a psychiatric facility for further evaluation, or is it kept in-house, and they are simply sent away to wilderness? The reason I ask is because at wwasps, there were kids locked up with obvious mental issues, and they would never receive the care that would help them. They ended up getting punished the most because they had the most serious issues. I hope that makes sense. How do they make that distinction at carlbrook? Do they make that distinction when a child is in serious danger?
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« Reply #1520 on: December 27, 2006, 12:32:48 PM »
Kids are sent to a psych facility when they are in any serious danger.  Superficial cuts get you sent to wilderness.
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« Reply #1521 on: December 27, 2006, 12:42:29 PM »
That is one aspect of programs that has always bothered me. How does one know whether the kid you put there is going to be the one who uses any means necessary in order to get out? What is mental illness really, if a kid never thinks about suicide in their life before, but then locked up in a stressful environment suddenly it's a good idea, does that make them mentally ill? I don't know how to answer that question. My point being, unless a kid takes drastic action, they will be sent to wilderness. They know this, which, in my opinion, can seriously complicate things. That is why forced treatment is always risky, no matter how reasonable the child might seem. How far will a kid go in order to make their point? The answer to that is all the way, kids will go all the way to make their point, as far as they have to. So when programs say that kids with serious psychological problems will be sent to a psych hospital and has plans to escape, suddenly the idea of atempting suicide, or stabbing another student become a good idea. The more kids who try these things, the higher the bar gets with the program staff, and eventually they think every kid is faking it, even if their not. That leads to lots of psychologically damaged kids being treated as "manipulators", a culture where psychological problems do not even exist. I am not saying this happens at Carlbrook, but I have seen some variance of this at every forced treatment facility I have been at. When there is only one way to escape, someone is going to try it, eventually. Parents should realize it could be their kid who does it, and should know the risks and how ridiculous a situation can become when involved ina cult like group of people and the only person you can trust is yourself.
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« Reply #1522 on: December 27, 2006, 01:12:31 PM »
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« Reply #1523 on: December 27, 2006, 04:45:08 PM »
Why is "wilderness" used so damn much?

Why is "wilderness" some kind of answer or catchall?

Why is "wilderness" both therapy and punishment?

Why do I hear people speak of some mysterious "wilderness" effect when its pretty clear based off what everyone has had to say about it that had any specifics at all, that its just an austere environment used to make them be filthy, tired, and exhausted, and break them down?

And, finally, how did they get parents to sign off on that baloney? I honestly want to know how some magical child growth school has to resort to making people suffer covered in filth, totally exhausted and forced to rely on the people hurting them for survival if its so damned magical and thriveing and whatever!  :)
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« Reply #1524 on: December 27, 2006, 05:00:05 PM »
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You only get sent back to wilderness for serious violations- such as harming someone or yourself, or absolutely refusing to engage in group sessions or individual sessions with your counselor.
Otherwise, you are put on a program, which can mean writing assignments, chores or meetings with staff and/or students.

Being punished for harming yourself is beyond cruel, it's dangerous. Self injury is a sign that a persons is in great turmoil and possible suicidal do to desperation. Session with a counselor, group or single, should not be forced and certainly not punishable. This demonstrates a great lack of patience, which you need when dealing with anyone who needs counseling. Would it be safe to say that these "counselors" have no real psychiatry credentials from a university? If so they should not be having sessions with anyone, especially when those sessions are forced.      

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Kids are sent to a psych facility when they are in any serious danger. Superficial cuts get you sent to wilderness.


This is quiet disturbing, in a highly stressful environment no cut is superficial. Any harm of ones body is a sign of desperation that needs to be taken seriously and not punished!?!?!

I'm not trying to play psychic, but I would not be surprised if there was a successful suicide. I would even say it's a matter of when.... not if.  Charly, Is this place state licensed?
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« Reply #1525 on: December 27, 2006, 05:01:09 PM »
Hanzo, don't forget the entire point is to break them down so much they don't even think about a cry for help, all they can do is turn to 'working the program' to escape their torment.

But it works for SOME kids so its okay, right!
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« Reply #1526 on: December 27, 2006, 05:10:39 PM »
Quote from: ""Nihilanthic""
Why is "wilderness" used so damn much?

Why is "wilderness" some kind of answer or catchall?

Why is "wilderness" both therapy and punishment?

Why do I hear people speak of some mysterious "wilderness" effect when its pretty clear based off what everyone has had to say about it that had any specifics at all, that its just an austere environment used to make them be filthy, tired, and exhausted, and break them down?

And, finally, how did they get parents to sign off on that baloney? I honestly want to know how some magical child growth school has to resort to making people suffer covered in filth, totally exhausted and forced to rely on the people hurting them for survival if its so damned magical and thriveing and whatever!  :)

To soften them up, makes a kids mind more malleable  ::bangin::.. It fits tactic type 1
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TACTIC 1. The individual is prepared for thought reform through increased suggestibility and/or "softening up," specifically through hypnotic or other suggestibility-increasing techniques such as: A. Extended audio, visual, verbal, or tactile fixation drills; B. Excessive exact repetition of routine activities; C. Decreased sleep; D. Nutritional restriction.

This place is really stating to sink of thought reform especially being a CEDU spin-off..... Alas  I will hold off on my judgment as to what I think this place is, but it doesn't look good to me...

Hey, Charly did read the tactic types, if so does Carlbrook fit any of them?

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But it works for SOME kids so its okay, right!


Does it work? or is that what they are made to believe? Either way they need to stop calling it therapy.

EDIT[/color]: Yeah Charly we're not attacking you. You don't have to answer our question, but you are and I appreciate that
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« Reply #1527 on: December 27, 2006, 05:11:49 PM »
I was trying to get Charly's input on those questions, I'm curious what she thinks or was lead to think about them.

I'm also curious how she was convinced to go along with it and think it is "OK".

EDIT: I'm not here trying to marathon or stand her up before group or bake her at 500° here, thats what we're supposed to be against... so don't get that idea, Charly. I dont want to judge you or set you up to get ripped into for being 'wrong', I just want to know what you honestly think about it.

Ugh. I think the real lesson here is: we're all human beings, and human beings are some seriously messed up, potentially evil, surprisingly easy to manipulate creatures.
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« Reply #1528 on: December 27, 2006, 05:25:25 PM »
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You only get sent back to wilderness for serious violations- such as harming someone or yourself, or absolutely refusing to engage in group sessions or individual sessions with your counselor.
Otherwise, you are put on a program, which can mean writing assignments, chores or meetings with staff and/or students.


This charlie is what i dont like about the concept of emotional growth schools. Adults do not get therapy forced on them. Self harming gestures are seen as a cry for help. Why should this be different with kids? What do you see is the benefit of sending a kid who has just hurt themself (even if they are not seriously injured) to wilderness?

I would agree that if a kid is geniuely violent toward their peers they should be punished at any school. But I would also think that expulsion  would be more effective for everyone than a few weeks in the bush.
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« Reply #1529 on: December 27, 2006, 05:28:11 PM »
That's also something that really burns me.

Adults cant be trampled and psychologically raped for months at a time to make them into new people, only children - and only with their loving parent's approval...

But we're getting off topic here and I dont want to scare off Charly off when we've finally opened a dialogue here. Her kid's out of the program and we gotta be the mature adults on fornits if we ever want to get anywhere  :roll: despite what ST has to say about us.
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."