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« Reply #45 on: May 24, 2005, 10:01:00 AM »
//if yourkid was acting like a jackass at home, he learned how to act from you the parent. A much bigger jackass.//

This is true if the kid is in pre-school or kindergarten - but not if they are a teenager.
By the time a person is in High School, cultural influences become more of an influence than anything that the parents might do or say.
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« Reply #46 on: May 24, 2005, 06:28:00 PM »
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On 2005-05-23 20:23:00, Antigen wrote:

"... or call the police? That would be a huge mistake! If my own child is such a mennace as to require being cuffed and stuffed at gunpoint, I'll let someone else call the police.

Give me the youth, and Germany will rule the world.
--Hitler


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I would have to be pretty convinced that the person was just *awful* before I would call the police on my kin.  But the postulate was that the kid was just awful.

I knew plenty of kids who smoked pot, but they didn't do it openly and blatantly in their parents' house with the parents standing right there.

This is all a hypothetical imaginary kid, and remember I said every case is individual.

I took the hypothetical to mean kid openly, blatantly, drugging in right front of the strenuously objecting parents in their own house.

I would give the kid the option of getting a job and moving out instead of me calling the police, but if he was just like, "I'm underage, so you can't kick me out, screw you, I'll do whatever I want." while getting intoxicated in my house right in front of me, yes, I'd call the police.

Mostly because of the other problems that would indicate.

I wouldn't call the cops just because the kid had taken a toke of a joint at a party.  It's unacceptable behavior, but I'd opt for the traditional Mom Fu to deal with it.

But to me, a kid that will smoke pot in his parents' home, in front of them, with a "screw you" attitude and won't stop is a kid who will steal the car keys and drive intoxicated. Imminent danger.

Maybe I'm wrong, and I don't think that's ever going to be my kid---my dd has different problems, not of her or our making, but challenging to all of us anyway.  But I *would* do that in that extreme of a situation.

In my house, in my face, with me objecting, and it's something major and not just a verbal fight, and won't leave.  That's enough to trigger me to call the cops on kin.

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« Reply #47 on: May 24, 2005, 06:32:00 PM »
Even if I had to ask a teen to move out, that doesn't mean I wouldn't help the kid with ongoing costs of education.  I would.  My view is that my obligations don't disappear just because someone else doesn't do what I want.

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« Reply #48 on: May 25, 2005, 11:44:00 AM »
By the time a person is in High School, cultural influences become more of an influence than anything that the parents might do or say.
  If your parents had done there job when you were growing up, cultural influences would not have that much effect on you. If you grew up with assholes, the chance that you will become one are pretty good
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« Reply #49 on: May 25, 2005, 12:50:00 PM »
I'd have to be in immediate fear for my life or the safety of one of my kids and completely out of other options.

The thing to remember about being a teenager is that all these new habits and beliefs are not that well set. As long as you have the freedom you need you can change your tune at the drop of a hat. Once Leo has got you tagged and bagged, it's not so easy. So involvement w/ Leo is much, much to be avoided.

Cops, you wake `em up, you gotta dance w/ `em. They lead.

I don't believe in God. My god is patriotism. Teach a man to be a good citizen and you have solved the problem of life.
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« Reply #50 on: May 25, 2005, 01:18:00 PM »
I understand that sometimes children come down with an illness in the teen years that changes their personality or adds a lot of other challenge---and I mean separate from adolescence itself.

I understand that sometimes children are exposed to traumas despite the parents' best efforts.

I understand that sometimes children's pediatric mental problems take a turn for the worse in adolescence if the kid's problems are not very responsive to medication or the parents have done a poor job presenting the need for medication and setting the foundations for medication compliance.

I understand that if a person, child or not, gets a bad knock on the head or other brain damage, it can permanently screw up personality.

But *most* of the time when I see genuinely bad teens or teens with severe enough conflicts with their parents to make them bad, the root cause of the problem is the parents' failure to teach empathy when the child was young, especially by example, and the parents' failure to apply attention, affection, empathy and compassion to the growing child/teen through *all* the child's ages and stages.

Someone I know who got shipped to a program, who shouldn't have been but was having some *minor* "bumpy road" adolescence issues, had parents who would fly off to different parts of the country in different directions with their jobs, and with essentially no advance notice tell this child, "Oh, you're going to have to find someplace to stay this weekend, because we won't be here."  Once, when the parents did this, this child ended up staying at a friend's house--not because of invitation by the friend, but because of compassion by the friend's family in taking the child in, for *THREE WEEKS*!

In the parents' defence, did they perhaps think their adolescent might prefer arrangements made by the child over whatever arrangements they made?  Perhaps.  But it's vital in parenting for your child to know you care and you're watching out for them, even when they struggle and push your kisses away with an, "Aw, Moooommmm!"  A child of any age always has to know that Mom and Dad want to hold and treasure and love it and that its ventures out into the world are the child's *own* idea, despite Mommy and Daddy really wanting to hold on but lovingly letting go and watching with bated breath.

A child that's taught empathy will have a certain fundamental respect for other people and their property.  That all *comes* from empathy.

You never need to teach an empathic child not to be a thug or a thief---all you have to do is put the question in terms of, "How would you feel if someone did that to you?"

The crucial thing broken in sociopaths and psychopaths is *empathy*---and a lot of times it's not because they always lacked the capacity, but because it wasn't *taught* by example and careful nurturing of the trait at the critical ages.

A child with something neurologically wrong may have unusual problems with impulse control and judgement, but those are frontal lobe functions, and the frontal lobe doesn't physically mature in anyone until the early twenties.  Better impulse control and judgement is something a child naturally grows into as its brain finishes developing.

One of the absolute stupidest things these Programs do is deprive a kid of music.  They ought to be playing complex instrumental music for all the childrens' waking hours and making music classes for making music mandatory.  Music works critical frontal lobe functions and fosters and speeds development.  There are no guarantees that it will improve everything, but it's one of the best tools we've got.

It's not prayer that keeps a kid from growing into a thug and a thief (although private, silent prayers can't hurt).

It's competent parenting.

And if you don't know how to teach compassion, and empathy, and work the areas of the brain that foster impulse control and judgement---if you're a parent, it's your job to *learn*, either before you have a child or while your child is young.

It's not *luck* that raises an empathic child.  It's skill.

Jesus said, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."  (Which, of course, is also the primary principle of Wicca, just in different words.)

Empathy.  An empathic child will not hurt even total strangers by thuggery or thievery, beyond the childhood ages that are normal for that, and absent mental illness.

Compassion.  A child treated with compassion by her parents in formation and application of the household rules will not have more than *rare* technicolor rages over the household rules, absent mental illness.  When the rules are formed, applied, and explained with empathy and compassion on the part of the parents, children and adolescents *mostly* follow them.

The Programs methods of what they make daily life like for the adolescents in their care are barbaric and antiquated as regards treatment of mentally ill persons.  They do mentally ill persons more harm than good.

To the extent that they foster suspicion of informers rather than empathy, they're bad for the juvenile delinquents, too.

If you want a juvenile delinquent to not turn into a lifelong sociopath, you have to take advantage of your last chance to teach empathy.

*My* child will not grow up to be a thug or a thief because she has already firmly developed the capacity for empathy.  She's learned the trait.  It doesn't just go away absent serious actual *damage* to the brain.

If you don't understand child development and what makes thugs and thieves what they are, then of course it looks like "something that could happen to anybody" and random Acts of God which kids grow up which way.

If you *do*, then you know that when your child has a firmly-seated, well-developed sense of empathy, you're out of the woods for sociopathy or psychopathy.

And that impulse control and judgement improve for just about everybody by the time they reach their early twenties just because of the completion of physiological development of the frontal lobes.  So that part--for an empathic kid that gets in scrapes from bad impulses and bad judgement--just takes time.  Although you can foster quicker and better development with activities targetted to that part of the brain, many of which may seem to bear no relation to the tasks you're trying to improve---they just happen to "live" in the same neighborhood of the brain.

If you know what the hell you're doing, raising a good kid is no accident.

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« Reply #51 on: May 25, 2005, 10:54:00 PM »
8:30 AM News Update - Parent Of Ivy Ridge Student Denied Access To Records



PARENT OF IVY RIDGE STUDENT DENIED ACCESS TO RECORDS


 

At least one parent is unhappy with the way the administration handled an uprising at Ivy Ridge.

9 students were arrested and Ivy Ridge expelled 40 students in the wake of what was described as a 'riot' at the Ogdensburg school. A parent of a student in the program told NewsWatch50 that after spending more than 20-thousand dollars on the program she is being refused transcripts and records of her child's performance and treatment.

She has gone to the State Attorney General in an effort to get the records released.

All but one student has been released from jail.
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« Reply #52 on: May 26, 2005, 07:31:00 AM »
There is no report of this on news watch 50. Why are you making stuff up buzz?
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« Reply #53 on: May 26, 2005, 08:19:00 AM »
Oh and timolca, your long winded responses probbably don't get read all the way through, if people are like me and get real boared at you rambling.
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« Reply #54 on: May 26, 2005, 08:37:00 AM »
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On 2005-05-26 05:19:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Oh and timolca, your long winded responses probbably don't get read all the way through, if people are like me and get real boared at you rambling."

Sorry to hear about your short attention span.  Perhaps you belong in a program.  They all claim to treat ADHD.  At least Timoclea can put forward a coherent argument rather than just throw around random abuse.  She can spell too.
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« Reply #55 on: May 26, 2005, 08:41:00 AM »
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On 2005-05-26 04:31:00, Anonymous wrote:

"There is no report of this on news watch 50. Why are you making stuff up buzz?"


http://www.newswatch50.com/news/local/s ... E21E391469

Time to eat humble pie, sucker!
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« Reply #56 on: May 26, 2005, 09:01:00 AM »
That is not what buzzhead posted. His own story?
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« Reply #57 on: May 26, 2005, 10:45:00 AM »
Bullshit, it is exactly what BuzzKill posted.  You have already paraded your lack of English comprehension twice.  If you don't want to make an even bigger fool of yourself than you already have I suggest you refrain from posting until you have taken some remedial English lessons.
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« Reply #58 on: May 26, 2005, 10:51:00 AM »
Ivy Ridge Academy Investigated By Attorney General


The Ivy Ridge Academy in Ogdensburg is under investigation by the State Attorney General for issuing diplomas that are ?essentially worthless?.

The Academy is not currently accredited by any agency or the State to issue diplomas. School officials told the Daily Courier in Ogdensburg that private, non-public schools such as the Academy are not required to hold accreditation to operate. School officials deny any wrongdoing and are working with the A.G.?s office to address concerns. The school has also agreed to suspend issuing diplomas until it obtains permission to issue State-approved ones.

Students currently enrolled are being asked to transfer credits earned there to their schools of origin. If the school accepts the credits from the Academy, they can be awarded a diploma from their home school.

St. Lawrence County District Attorney Gary Miles told the Daily Courier that the A.G.?s office has been in contact with him and expects to wrap up the investigation soon. The Academy has said it will comply with any conditions set by the A.G.?s office and the State Education Department.

http://www.newswatch50.com/news/local/s ... 765757272D
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« Reply #59 on: May 26, 2005, 11:42:00 AM »
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"Attn: The Kids name

St. Lawrence County Jail

48 Court st

Canton NY

13617"


Do you have names? I'd glady put $ in their accounts in jail and write letters of support.
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