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« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2005, 09:51:00 AM »
I have been in about 9 diffrent county jails and a Texas Prison unit for 4 years.
 All were a vacation compared to "programs"
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« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2005, 10:08:00 AM »
YES!!!! This is wonderful news. This is the only way to escape the facility while you are there. Did you see the mugshots?? They look like normal teenage kids! They are old enough to be out of the program, and it must be great therapy to riot and beat down staff. I would have loved to do that. Fire extinguishers are the only weapon around, because they are required by law.

Notice how they had to fight other students off as well. The upper levels... the jr. staff as they are called. Fuck them. I would have beat the shit out of them just for the fun of it. They could of let them go or whatever but they decide to fight their own peers in the name of the program. Fucking disgusting if you ask me.

The JR staff better be carefuly who they fuck with while they are there- because we get out- and you better hope you don't run into us on the street. They dont let us leave with addresses for a reason.
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« Reply #17 on: May 18, 2005, 10:33:00 AM »
I feel sorry for the parents who believed an organized group of liars who tell you your kid is ina safe ,staff watched school .

Who knew the troubled kids are the
staff."

My call to the DA will hopefully enlight them to what really happens within the facility to PROVOKE a kid to act this way.
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« Reply #18 on: May 18, 2005, 12:10:00 PM »
Does no one KNOW or CARE about the danger these kids are in now that they have been returned to Ivy Ridge? I am home just terrified for these kids. And their parents? Can just hear them now: "OH, I'm so sorry my kid has caused you all these problem. SEE, I told you he was out of control. PLEASE help him. YES, Jamaca sounds NICE. Yes, that place sounds just like what he needs to really help him GET THE PROGRAM. He is such a lucky boy that you are giving him a second chance." LORD HELP THESE KIDS!

Please write to these reporters and do not stop writing!  These kids are in danger!
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« Reply #19 on: May 18, 2005, 03:56:00 PM »
Ginger asked why the staff member was arrested - I don't know. All I know, so far, is what's in the articles. I expect we'll find out in due time.

Someone mentioned a judge being "lenient" and sending the kids to TB. I had a friend point out that concern yesterday and have to agree this is a real risk.

Hopefully, this event will get enough media attention for the judges and attorneys involved to take note; and Maybe this will all turn out for the greater good of all concerned.

As some others have pointed out - Jail being preferable to the program - my son would agree. He told me very plainly after a week end in jail that it was a cake walk compared to Dundee / now Pillars of Hope. Not exactly the effect I was looking for - making Jail seem like an easy, or positive thing.

Kids out of the program have often pointed out prisoners are not treated in as oppressive and stressful manner as the lower level Program kids are.
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« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2005, 08:33:00 PM »
Ivy Ridge students charged after rioting, escape
by James R. Donnelly, Times Staff Writer
First published: Wednesday, May 18, 2005
, Sarah Booth & Chris Garifo
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OGDENSBURG - Twelve Academy at Ivy Ridge students face rioting, assault and other charges following an uprising and escape from the school for troubled youths Monday evening.
"You had a small group of young men who didn't want to be there any longer," St. Lawrence County Sheriff Gary J. Jarvis said. "They were assaulting staff and one another. I think they staged the fights so they could get out."
The melee reportedly started in the boys dormitory, where several windows were broken, fire extinguishers were discharged, a juice machine was overturned and dishes from the kitchen were broken.
"When I was there it looked like every boy on that campus was involved, but no girls," Mr. Jarvis said.
About 35 sheriff's deputies, state troopers, city police officers and U.S. Border Patrol agents were called at 10:20 p.m. to quell the riot and search for missing students. State police dogs were brought in to assist in tracking some of the youths who fled but were not used to take any into custody, troopers said.
During the rioting, some 30 of the school's 450 students fled the Route 37 campus, which is 5 miles west of the city on about 240 acres of heavily wooded land. Most were found close to the campus, and all were returned to Ivy Ridge by 3 a.m., police said.
Two academy workers suffered minor injuries during the rioting. Eight students went to Claxton-Hepburn Medical Center for treatment of injuries. Two students were arrested there and the other six returned to Ivy Ridge.
Charges against the teens stemmed from things they did on campus before fleeing, Undersheriff Kevin F. Wells said.
"Nobody that we are aware of committed crimes against the public," Mr. Wells said.
Tommy L. Austin, 26, of 29 Rensselaer Ave., an off-duty academy worker called in to help during the disturbance, was charged with disorderly conduct after allegedly swearing and being unruly while a student was being arrested. He was issued an appearance ticket to appear in Oswegatchie Town Court on May 25.
Ivy Ridge has expelled 25 students, including all of those charged with crimes. Of those expelled, 14 did not leave the campus during the riot.
"The ones expelled were instigators of the riot," Academy Director Jason G. Finlinson said.
Little evidence of the rioting could be seen at the campus Tuesday. Academy officials would not let the media into the dormitory area but said damaged areas had been cleaned up by morning.
Students dressed in Ivy Ridge's uniform of khaki pants and white shirts walked the halls in straight lines, each counting off when turning a corner, a sign that structure and discipline the school is noted for had returned.
"It's as normal as it can be," Mr. Finlinson said.
A team of therapists has been talking to students to find out what was known about the incident beforehand and to assess the impact the rioting had on teens there.
"You have to understand the caliber of the students who are here. They don't want to be here. They don't like structure. They don't like authority," Mr. Finlinson said. "But what they did last night wasn't acceptable in anybody's book. They put their lives in danger. Who knows what can happen when you go outside these walls?"
Several parents of students said the riot has not caused them any concern and praised the way it was handled by Ivy Ridge officials.
"The school called in all of their staff and the situation was taken care of," said Janet L. Szlyk of Dudley, Mass., whose daughter, Leighann M. Keogh, 16, has been an Ivy Ridge student for almost 15 months.
Mrs. Szlyk said she believes her daughter is safe at Ivy Ridge.
"Like anywhere, there's always going to be problems that arise," she said.
People also need to keep in mind that Ivy Ridge is not a normal boarding school, but is a behavior modification center that takes in hundreds of troubled teens, said Malaica Valiente of Davie, Fla., whose daughter, Sofia R., 14, has been a student at Ivy Ridge since April 2004.
Mrs. Valiente, like other parents of students there, was contacted by Ivy Ridge officials Tuesday and told of the rioting.
"What happened is some younger kids did something stupid," Mrs. Valiente said. "I've been there and I can't believe they would want to run away."
A resident living near Ivy Ridge took news of the runaways in stride. After being told to lock her doors during a call from Ivy Ridge officials Monday night, Pat A. Campanella, of 568 Route 37, turned on her scanner and watched out her window as a couple of students were picked up by police.
"You expect this kind of thing every spring," she said. "We were just hoping nobody would get hurt."
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« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2005, 10:13:00 PM »
It's so sad that these kids have no way out - no contact with the outside world. They live in extreme conditions of stress day in and day out.  This does not sound like a therapeutic environment at all - marching in line, counting as they round a corner.  Who would want to live like that. It's so sad that parents just dump their children off into such a caustic environment.  These chidren need to have a way out. They should be able to petition a court for release - since their human rights and civil rights are being violated.  

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« Reply #22 on: May 19, 2005, 01:18:00 AM »
This is so unreal...
i remeber when i was first in the program I dreamed of planning a large scale escape for everyone. Or I would daydream of what I would do in case of a riot. Im sure those kids were being abused and damn if they didnt take a stand. A drasitc one that unfortunatly will land them in jail. I am so impressed by their courage. Stand up for what is wrong in this world and you get beat down. I just cant believe they were charged with all that. Geez! I dotn know if jail is better. Probably similar. At least they can fucking read! And watch tv. Unfortunatly Im sure the parents will not see them as punishment for a while. Sigh....

I am thinking and sending positive vibes to those kids and think we all should. And the kids still having to endure Ive Ridge.
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« Reply #23 on: May 19, 2005, 11:51:00 AM »
Those 12 who were arrested should go to the press with their stories. They should let the world know why they tried to escape.  I'm sure they would expose the many horrors that occur daily at IVY ridge. I'd suggest they call a press conference if they can.  This is the time to expose what's going on. If they were being abused and were there against their will then they may have had a right to escape in the eyes of the law.  They truly need to expose all they witnessed and endured at Ivy Ridge. This could exonerate them.  

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« Reply #24 on: May 19, 2005, 12:52:00 PM »
Ya know, if we could find out where they're being held, we could probably write them letters.

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« Reply #25 on: May 19, 2005, 04:22:00 PM »
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« Reply #26 on: May 19, 2005, 09:43:00 PM »
Students are not provoked to act this way. They were obviously acting like jack asses before they got themselves into a program. What should parents do let there kids continue to destroy themselves with drugs and violence? Maybe I should be like the rest of the people on this forum and continue to not care. It is hard for me to understand what to do with these kids that are beating up others who are innocent and just happen to be standing in the way of a child who has a drug addiction or can't control himself. Tell me what would you do?
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« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2005, 10:59:00 PM »
Jack ass?, maybe.  My kid was a danger to himself before I took him to AIR.  Basically, thats why I took him.  It did not take me long to realize that I would rather he die of his own stupidity (should I not be able to prevent it) than endure the treatment he was receiving in the name of my love at AIR.  Those boys cannot possibly believe that anyone that sends them there loves them.  They are left to believe that the parents know and consent to the treatment that are forced to endure.  If the boys are able to get the word to their parents, the parents are told that they are lying.  I wish I could have taken all of them home, jack asses or not.
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« Reply #28 on: May 20, 2005, 11:55:00 AM »
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"Students are not provoked to act this way. They were obviously acting like jack asses before they got themselves into a program. What should parents do let there kids continue to destroy themselves with drugs and violence? Maybe I should be like the rest of the people on this forum and continue to not care. It is hard for me to understand what to do with these kids that are beating up others who are innocent and just happen to be standing in the way of a child who has a drug addiction or can't control himself. Tell me what would you do?  "


Well, first off, I'd take the bag off my head and step up to the plate.

I understand the survivors of bad stuff wanting their anonymity.

You, on the other hand, have no *good* excuse at all.

I use a handle, but anybody who reads here very long knows my real name, I don't hide it.

Why should I give any weight to your opinion if *you* don't believe in yourself and what you say enough to step up and stand behind it?

Everyone who knows me from this forum knows I support involuntary commitment of adults or children in certain situations, and what my standards for an appropriate facility are, and why.

So far, all you've given to support your argument is prejudice and hot air in a brown paper bag.

Continue to not care?  That's rich.  What do you think I'm here for, my health?

What I would do, since you asked, if I were you, is: first, take the bag off your head; second, instead of speaking from prejudice that assumes that any child whose parents want to send him away needs to be confined, I'd start talking about criteria and who decides; third, I'd start talking about appropriate standards for safe and effective facilities.

Oh, wait.  That's what I am doing.

That's what *most* of the parents and survivors (most of whom, if middle-aged, are *also* parents) here are doing.

If you really care, then the effective thing to do is step up to the plate and start discussing the meat of the issue.  The legislators are already discussing it, to a degree that virtually guarantees that in the next five years there *will* be significant legislation.  You can either take part in shaping the debate, or you can snipe from the sidelines.  But sniping from the sidelines isn't caring, it's just venting your spleen.

Sure, I do that.  Can't help it sometimes, even though I do try.  If you care so much, come out from behind the bag and get involved with the debate about criteria, and standards, and safeguards.

Timoclea

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« Reply #29 on: May 20, 2005, 12:14:00 PM »
About the legislation:  Who do you *think* is driving the momentum for that legislation and the debate about what the legislation needs to say and do?

I'll tell you.  It's the grassroots activists just like the people who post to Fornits.  Many of the people who write and call their Congressman or Senators on this issue read Fornits, and a number post here.  Of those who don't, almost all of them interact with someone who *does* read or post to Fornits, because almost all of them read or post or chat on some other site or list or board or group dedicated to discussing this industry and this problem.

What gets said here affects what people think all over this issue, because what gets said here that persuades and gets remembered gets repeated by the people who take it back to their *other* grassroots forums.  And vice versa, of course.

As a, if not the, central communications node for grassroots activism on this issue, Fornits is a powerhouse.

Affecting the debate here influences the content of those letters and calls to legiscritters and is driving the issue.  See that bill in Congress?  Why is it there?  Look right here.  Fornits isn't alone, and it certainly doesn't make *less* of anyone else's contribution.  What it does is act as a lense, heterodyning with other people's contributions at ISAC and nospank and teen emancipation groups and other places, formal and informal---it's a force multiplier.

So if you care as much as you say you do, get out from behind the bag, wade in, and get to the meat of the issues involved.

Here and now.

Because you'll probably never have a better chance to affect what actually gets passed into law.

There are a lot of ways to help get things done in politics.  There are other ways than grassroots.  This is how you do grassroots.

And it's going to work, because all the Programs have to oppose it with is blatantly obvious astroturf.

If the Programs were smart, they'd start an open dialogue about criteria and standards and clean up voluntarily.  But most of them don't appear to be that smart.

Timoclea
(I've done successful grassroots activism before on another issue.  BTDT.  This is how this part of the process works.)

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