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« Reply #30 on: May 05, 2005, 10:50:00 AM »
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On 2005-05-04 10:18:00, Anonymous wrote:

"That's really sad T, but it sounds like you would have done well in a program, afterall you didn't need shoes or much food and water!"


Heh.  Well, first, I would have taken my shoes with me, of course.

Second, finding water is easy, and if you take a tiny bottle filled with bleach along, your water will taste awful, but the only sickness you'll have to worry about is giardia.

Third, a whole lot of the plants you see are edible--you just have to know which ones (I did), and you can *temporarily* go without food for a fair while.  Something I didn't know at the time, but do now, is how easy it is to set snares (made from just what you find) for small game.  Squirrels are incredibly curious, so easy to trap.

Most of the times people have starved in history, everyone around them had already eaten up those easy food sources, and the hard ones, too.  Modern people walk past loads of perfectly edible food everyday without recognizing it as food.

Not saying I would have wanted to live like that for an extended period.  Just saying it would have been enough for me to leave home and walk to a major city.  You can make about twenty miles a day and still have time to fill your water bottles, forage, and make a rudimentary lean-to for the night.

The difference between that and a program is having some goon or goons standing over you trying to muck with your head while you're doing it *or* stuffing rocks in your pack.

And, of course, hiking in places with limited water (where I grew up, it was pretty wet) it would be *much* harder to do that if you even could.  Which would *also*--wet or dry area--be made worse by some goon standing over you and not letting you refill your water bags from available water sources even if you *had* water purification tabs that would also kill giardia (let alone simple chlorine bleach).

Idiot goons who play god with a hiker's water (or electrolytes) are deadly dangerous.

Solo survival hiking is also deadly dangerous.  I'd have to have been in fear of my life to have even considered trying it.

But for better or worse, not many people have my personality type.  One of the benefits of being something of a loner is you can make and stick to your own decisions without a lot of social support---or in the face of a lot of social opposition.  It has its drawbacks, too, but that's one of the benefits.

But no, I would have died in a program.  In my teens I was severely mentally ill, undiagnosed, and untreated--and often a hair's-breadth away from suicide.  It's just luck I survived at all.  Being alone in the woods wouldn't have bothered me--I spent half my time out there anyway and found it soothing.  Being in a program would have pushed me over the edge inside a week--and you can't stop someone who's truly intent on suicide (short of, among other things, pulling all their teeth).

But there are kids all over the country who run every year and make it to a major city and never go home---so obviously there are other ways of doing it successfully than the one I would have chosen.

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« Reply #31 on: May 05, 2005, 06:26:00 PM »
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On 2005-05-05 00:26:00, Perrigaud wrote:

"Liger that wasn't me. I have a normal "u" in my name. Cute of the little ass that's impersonating me though. By the way impersonator? Are you having fun? Do you have nothing better to do with your time?  :tup: keep up the comedy."


Yeah, apparently I'm really gullible.  I fall for it every time.
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« Reply #32 on: May 05, 2005, 07:22:00 PM »
Don't feel bad, Liger. Take a look at the "My Boy at Thayer" thread. The Perrigaüd troll probably didn't take too many ppl who have paid attention to what Perrigaud has to say. But they did a damned fine impersonation of your typical Program troll.

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« Reply #33 on: May 05, 2005, 10:40:00 PM »
Tony Pallotto is president of TAPS???  He probably created that organization and made himself president, for the express purpose of impressing potential clientele.  And, of course, as previously mentioned, to give weight (however false) to his subsequent recommendation that the teenager be admitted to a long-term residential facility, a referral that will pay him handsomely.

Just because someone has "credentials" and a long list of organizations they've belonged to or books they've written does NOT make them a real expert on anything.  A person and his work need to be "peer reviewed", i.e., reviewed by colleagues in their OWN professional field, in order to be viewed as real experts.  

Miller Newton was a "doctor", but he was actually a guy who got a Ph.D. in urban anthropology from Union College by correspondence.  How they called that a Ph.D. is beyond me, but things like this happen until folks catch on. Unfortunately, the parents at Straight didn't read past the name "Doctor Newton" and thought that meant that he was a medical doctor or at least a highly respected Ph.D. in psychology.

To me, Tony Pallotto's "credentials" are fluff, and I pity the child of any parent sufficiently lacking in brains to hire this thug to kidnap him or her.  It is kidnapping by proxy!!

I cannot imagine a pediatrician recommending this sort of abduction of children.  Parents, if in doubt, should check with their child's physician.

I am so disgusted that so many adults in our country have such appalling disregard for the well-being of children and young adults.  I think the U.S. should really look at itself in comparison to other Western, civilized nations.  Children are our future, and they are important and have a right to a decent, loving upbringing.  When will the laws of our country reflect this?


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« Reply #34 on: May 05, 2005, 10:58:00 PM »
Well said, SD!

(And thanks, Ginger.)
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« Reply #35 on: May 06, 2005, 04:32:00 AM »
Antigen,
  You really think that the troll did a good job? Do you really think I am that programized? Just wondering.
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« Reply #36 on: May 06, 2005, 08:50:00 AM »
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On 2005-05-06 01:32:00, Perrigaud wrote:

"Antigen,

  You really think that the troll did a good job? Do you really think I am that programized? Just wondering. "


Hey, she said he/she did a good job *of imitating a program troll*.

As far as imitating you personally, I thought it was mean.

I said "not nice" at the time, but I really meant mean and nasty.

Nobody deserves that.

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« Reply #37 on: May 06, 2005, 11:30:00 AM »
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On 2005-05-06 01:32:00, Perrigaud wrote:

" Do you really think I am that programized?  "


I know you're that programized
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« Reply #38 on: May 12, 2005, 01:56:00 PM »
Just a classic setup - It's expensive, so it has to be good.  Oh, and by the way, if we can't fix your kid in 3 days, I have several places I can refer him to.

Honestly speaking, though, if I was put into the "facility" I was sent to for only three days, it would have fixed my wagon. A warning shot across my bow probably would have done more good (and less damage) than the 9 months and $100k that ended up going to brainwash me in a "therapedic, millieu community".
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« Reply #39 on: May 12, 2005, 04:18:00 PM »
This just goes to show how lucrative this industry is and how poorly regulated.  People should not be allowed to pay others to physically and emotionally abuse their teenagers.  

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« Reply #40 on: May 12, 2005, 06:13:00 PM »
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On 2005-05-06 01:32:00, Perrigaud wrote:

"Antigen,

  You really think that the troll did a good job? Do you really think I am that programized? Just wondering. "


Timo's right. I didn't think it was you (even if I hadn't noticed the special character) But it certainly was a very good imitation of your typical program supporter.

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