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« Reply #105 on: July 20, 2005, 03:53:00 PM »
It seems to me that if you have to resort to calling someone a fucking moron for disagreeing with your childish opinions, you probably could use a class on maturity. Teens being teens? I think not. Having sex with multiple partners? Staying out all night? And refusing to change your behaviour. Sorry. Bye bye. You have choices to make and are old enough at 15 to make the right ones. Poor Lexie. Molested. Who wasn't? Get over it and move on. You don't have to "act out" (putting it mildly) that's ridiculous. I work very hard for my money, and if my kid was getting high on it and telling me to fuck off, I think I'd take that for about a minute. Where does it say that "teens can just act like teens" and parents have to put up with it? Now that is moronic. Obviously you've put your parents through hell. I only hoped THEY survived it. I'm sure they treated you like shit, giving you a curfew, and hoping you'd be smart about drugs and sex. Gosh. You're right. Put them in a jail. Ignorant. Obviously you don't have a child of your own. You don't grasp the terror of a child staying out all night or strung out on drugs. You just don't get it at all. Have fun with your fire. Hopefully, you won't be burning my house down.
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« Reply #106 on: July 20, 2005, 04:05:00 PM »
Gosh, if only YOU were my DAd!! How I would love you!!

Go Fuck yourself
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« Reply #107 on: July 20, 2005, 04:07:00 PM »
And I know how much that bothers you to... :lol:

I take it you can't stand to have anyone disagree with you....opposition breads opposition. Go take a look in the mirror when looking for answers, you hypocrite.
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« Reply #108 on: July 20, 2005, 04:10:00 PM »
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Poor Lexie. Molested. Who wasn't? Get over it and move on.


Is that what you say to your kid?  But you're right, Lexie was probably asking for it anyway, huh?

Asshole.
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« Reply #109 on: July 20, 2005, 04:17:00 PM »
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On 2005-07-19 16:57:00, Anonymous wrote:

"You are wrong. If you had been through it, you'd know. Obviously you haven't been. You are speaking in theory. I am speaking from my own experience. You are not convincing anyone here, maybe you are trying to convince yourself? Do you have a child in a program?"


Well I did go through a program, and I can say that It did help me and I was able to change my life around, in fact one of my best friends went through the program and moved back to New York with me, And he also changed his life around.  However I was 17 when I went through a wilderness program and I can say that I do not think anyone under the age of 16 can actully learn from it.
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« Reply #110 on: July 20, 2005, 04:17:00 PM »
***It seems to me that if you have to resort to calling someone a fucking moron for disagreeing with your childish opinions, you probably could use a class on maturity.

And we see yet again an example of the double standard held by program advocates.

Do you consider parents/program staff who call teens names 'immature', or do you see them as justified?
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« Reply #111 on: July 20, 2005, 04:21:00 PM »
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It seems to me that if you have to resort to calling someone a fucking moron for disagreeing with your childish opinions, you probably could use a class on maturity. Teens being teens? I think not. Having sex with multiple partners? Staying out all night? And refusing to change your behaviour. Sorry. Bye bye. You have choices to make and are old enough at 15 to make the right ones. Poor Lexie. Molested. Who wasn't? Get over it and move on. You don't have to "act out" (putting it mildly) that's ridiculous. I work very hard for my money, and if my kid was getting high on it and telling me to fuck off, I think I'd take that for about a minute. Where does it say that "teens can just act like teens" and parents have to put up with it? Now that is moronic. Obviously you've put your parents through hell. I only hoped THEY survived it. I'm sure they treated you like shit, giving you a curfew, and hoping you'd be smart about drugs and sex. Gosh. You're right. Put them in a jail. Ignorant. Obviously you don't have a child of your own. You don't grasp the terror of a child staying out all night or strung out on drugs. You just don't get it at all. Have fun with your fire. Hopefully, you won't be burning my house down.
J


To be close to the truth its teens acting like the large majority of adults, but continuing on.

Um... hi ::waves his hand up in the air:: I wasent molested. And I hope your children are not either, thought listening to you it seems like they would be.

Oh, and about your house, sure I'll be burning it down... after nailing shut all the escapes....
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our walking down a hallway, you turn left, you turn right. BRICK WALL!

GAH!!!!

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« Reply #112 on: July 20, 2005, 04:23:00 PM »
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On 2005-07-20 12:53:00, Anonymous wrote:

"It seems to me that if you have to resort to calling someone a fucking moron for disagreeing with your childish opinions, you probably could use a class on maturity. Teens being teens? I think not. Having sex with multiple partners? Staying out all night? And refusing to change your behaviour. Sorry. Bye bye. You have choices to make and are old enough at 15 to make the right ones. Poor Lexie. Molested. Who wasn't? Get over it and move on. You don't have to "act out" (putting it mildly) that's ridiculous. I work very hard for my money, and if my kid was getting high on it and telling me to fuck off, I think I'd take that for about a minute. Where does it say that "teens can just act like teens" and parents have to put up with it? Now that is moronic. Obviously you've put your parents through hell. I only hoped THEY survived it. I'm sure they treated you like shit, giving you a curfew, and hoping you'd be smart about drugs and sex. Gosh. You're right. Put them in a jail. Ignorant. Obviously you don't have a child of your own. You don't grasp the terror of a child staying out all night or strung out on drugs. You just don't get it at all. Have fun with your fire. Hopefully, you won't be burning my house down.

J"



What a sick and hurtful thing to tell someone to get over being molested. Do you honestly think that is going to help someone? Come on!

If I were looking for help for my child I would be totally turned off by a program that shared your same thought process.

For the record I have never said I am against therapy either. I said I support therapy from an empowerment / strengths based approach. Perhaps you should research the models. Belittling someone is not going to heal.

Personally, I'm glad Overlordd posts here. He is a kid and it's great to here what kids are actually thinking about. Perhaps if people like you spent more time listening to what kids had to say, there would be less power struggles.
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am looking for people who survived Straight in Plymouth, Michigan. I miss a lot of people there and wonder what happened and would like to stay in touch.

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« Reply #113 on: July 20, 2005, 04:33:00 PM »
I think it's good that you share your experience here because parents do read this board. If you know of other program successes it would help to hear their stories to if they are interested

Because of you some kid may be saved from a lot of self=destruction when some parent reads your post and decides that you sound a lot more coherent than most of the posters here

People like you serve to bring some balance to the madness alright---but don't expect any thanks from the "true believers" who have decided that adolesents should get to run wild on their parents' dime---and no program that is not totally voluntary could do anyone any good.

That means--you will likely be told--that you are currently brainwashed and will smarten up and turn anti-program when you are out for 3 years (if you've been out for 2 years), 5 years (if you've been out for 4) and so on..

That way, the possibility that you may actually have benefited never has to be addressed.

Sells pretty well to the true believer types---sounds lame and unlikely to unbiased parents who are here to look at possibilities...not propaganda
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« Reply #114 on: July 20, 2005, 04:51:00 PM »
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On 2005-07-20 11:45:00, Deborah wrote:

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Perhaps a recap at the beginning?

It's on from 7-9. The premier was 3 hours."


I'm sure your right.
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« Reply #115 on: July 20, 2005, 04:54:00 PM »
***People like you serve to bring some balance to the madness alright---but don't expect any thanks from the "true believers" who have decided that adolesents should get to run wild on their parents' dime---and no program that is not totally voluntary could do anyone any good.

And, another fine example of the hysteric over exaggeration of program advocates.
If your child is/was running wild on your dime, you are the one who needs a bootcamp. The primary argument here is that parents need to pull their heads out and parent. And if they can't, for the sake of their child, send them to a relative. If a parent resorts to a lock-down warehouse for so-called troubled teens, then it is their duty to research the facility to the ninth degree, do not allow any program to shut off communication or tell you how to interpret what your child tells you. Ask questions, consult with outside professionals for opinions on the methods employed.
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« Reply #116 on: July 20, 2005, 05:06:00 PM »
Thank you for the kind words, I have been out of the program for almost 6 years now.  I am actully in the police academy currently,  I would definetly suggest research into the programs and to make sure the child going into the program is mature enough to learn from it.  I believe that one thing a wilderness program can do for a child is take them completly out of their enviroment by doing this it was a way I was able to look at my sit back and look at my life and see what mistakes I was making and was able to understand how to make some better choices.  I can also say that when a person is made to go without all the things you love in life you are able to appreciate those thing in a whole new way.
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« Reply #117 on: July 20, 2005, 05:12:00 PM »
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Poor Lexie. Molested. Who wasn't? Get over it and move on.


You are a piece of shit. NO debate there.

Remember, as the program says, 'it's all about actions and consequences.' I hope your kid doesn't kill you, if I were them, I would have already.

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« Reply #118 on: July 20, 2005, 05:13:00 PM »
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However I was 17 when I went through a wilderness program and I can say that I do not think anyone under the age of 16 can actully learn from it.


90% of the kids that go are below the age of 16.
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« Reply #119 on: July 20, 2005, 05:15:00 PM »
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On 2005-07-20 13:33:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I think it's good that you share your experience here because parents do read this board. If you know of other program successes it would help to hear their stories to if they are interested



Because of you some kid may be saved from a lot of self=destruction when some parent reads your post and decides that you sound a lot more coherent than most of the posters here



People like you serve to bring some balance to the madness alright---but don't expect any thanks from the "true believers" who have decided that adolesents should get to run wild on their parents' dime---and no program that is not totally voluntary could do anyone any good.



That means--you will likely be told--that you are currently brainwashed and will smarten up and turn anti-program when you are out for 3 years (if you've been out for 2 years), 5 years (if you've been out for 4) and so on..



That way, the possibility that you may actually have benefited never has to be addressed.



Sells pretty well to the true believer types---sounds lame and unlikely to unbiased parents who are here to look at possibilities...not propaganda

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And it sounds like you haven't been through a program.

Or have you? which one?

What do you bring to the table other than your flawed observations?
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