ABC Brat Camp

[obsidian student]

On 2005-07-20 14:13:00, Anonymous wrote:

"

However I was 17 when I went through a wilderness program and I can say that I do not think anyone under the age of 16 can actully learn from it.

90% of the kids that go are below the age of 16. "

As I said I don?t think anyone under the age of 16 should go into a wilderness program, I said this because I don?t think that children under the age of 16 are mature enough to learn from it, however I am sure there are exceptions

[Anonymous]

You know Deborah it's interesting that YOU would use the word "hysteric".  

Whatever---maybe being shrill works for you--but to me you'd be a lot more convincing if you didn't constantly try to sound compelling by saying ridiculous things ("If your child is/was running wild on your dime, you are the one who needs a bootcamp").  

Lots of people have tried all possible---and well-thought-options---before deciding to spend a small fortune to be separated from a child they love for the sake of that child's future.

They don't need silly suggestions like that one from a maddingly silly woman who tries to parade around as having some degree of parenting skills--or even a lick of common sense---in spite of almost unbelievably voluminous posts that prove the contrary

[Anonymous]

Sells pretty well to the true believer types---sounds lame and unlikely to unbiased parents who are here to look at possibilities...not propaganda

The parents should also consider what people's motives are. Those who have had terrible experiences as either a prisoner or parent of a prisoner motives are clear. They feel wronged, abused, whatever- and want to make it right. They want others to know what happened to them, so it will not continue to happen.

Now, what are the motives of program supporters? If you child already went through the program succesfully, why not move on with your life? What are you trying to prove? Do you think you are 'helping' other parents by arguing for the program?

Doesn't make a whole lot of sense does it. What does make sense? Money. Cold hard cash. That's why the program supporters are here. I could easily be on here telling everyone about what a GREAT experience I had at a program, only to sucker them into asking me how/why/where, etc. If I refer them to certain programs, I can make thousands of dollars. If my kid is in the program and I refer a new student, I can receive a free month! That's almost $4000!

They might argue it's not about the cash, or trying to persuade themselves of their own doubts, but that is their only motive.

Unless this hypocrite posting above who calls us 'true-believers', is a true believer themselves, only, they believe in the prorgam's ideology. A business to make hundreds of millions of dollars off middle-upper class white families who think they need to take drastic measures.

So- who in reality is a 'true-believer'. It is you, program supporters. You can peddle your bullshit all you want. You only confirm what sadistic, torturing pieces of shit you all are.

This is about FEAR, MONEY and CONTROL. Parents are tired of raising their child. They are tired of waiting up all night to see if they come home. Lucky for them, instead of actually BEING PARENTS, they can just pay someone else to try.

What's wrong with paying a unqualified HICK minimum wage to watch 20 kids? According to the program supporters, nothing. They'd rather have their child be in a private gulag than have to worry. Sounds pretty selfish, eh? It is.

Most parents don't even visit the faciltiy. A lot of parents hire kidnappers to take their child away.

Would you send your child away to a place you've never been?

Would you send your child away to people you've never met?

Would you send your child away to a facility where children have DIED recently?

Would you spend 4000 a month which amounts to nothing more than a camping trip or private prison?

If you answered yes to all these questions, you should talk to the anon program supporter. I'm sure they need another month of free tuition for their own kid that is locked up right now. Why else would they be here justifying themselves online ?

[Anonymous]

Sounds---in fact--like this guy was about foaming at the mouth by the time he was finished.

I can't speak for anyone else---but for the record,I get nothing out of pointing out that programs can sometimes help---except the satisfaction of knowing that some parents and kids will benefit from this advice.

That's why I will continue to give my opinion. Without even foaming at the mouth while I'm giving it.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-07-20 14:23:00, Anonymous wrote:

"You know Deborah it's interesting that YOU would use the word "hysteric".  



Whatever---maybe being shrill works for you--but to me you'd be a lot more convincing if you didn't constantly try to sound compelling by saying ridiculous things ("If your child is/was running wild on your dime, you are the one who needs a bootcamp").  



Lots of people have tried all possible---and well-thought-options---before deciding to spend a small fortune to be separated from a child they love for the sake of that child's future.



They don't need silly suggestions like that one from a maddingly silly woman who tries to parade around as having some degree of parenting skills--or even a lick of common sense---in spite of almost unbelievably voluminous posts that prove the contrary"

Oops for a minute I thought you were talking about Sue Scheff (PURE) regarding parents-helping-parents.

Obviously Deborah has pushed your buttons as is often the case with you program apologists and/or supporters every time somebody tells you to put down the koolaid and face the reality that parenting is a job for PARENTS.  Don't like the job?  Don't have kids.  It's that simple.



 :roll:

[Antigen]

On 2005-07-20 14:38:00, Anonymous wrote:

I can't speak for anyone else---but for the record,I get nothing out of pointing out that programs can sometimes help---except the satisfaction of knowing that some parents and kids will benefit from this advice.

And, by the very same token, people have been known to benefit by ingesting poke berries. So go on out and eat a few handfuls of them. Ya' never know, you might just survive.

Impiety: Your irreverence toward my deity.
--Ambrose Bierce

[Anonymous]

On 2005-07-20 14:38:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Sounds---in fact--like this guy was about foaming at the mouth by the time he was finished.



I can't speak for anyone else---but for the record,I get nothing out of pointing out that programs can sometimes help---except the satisfaction of knowing that some parents and kids will benefit from this advice.



That's why I will continue to give my opinion. Without even foaming at the mouth while I'm giving it."

Why would you foam at the mouth?

Have you been hogtied, locked up in isolation for weeks and fed shit for food? I doubt it.

Being able to edit emotion out of your posts is not something special. It shows you are cold hearted program supporter, who probably has never even set foot on a program themselves.


You see... I don't care what you think. I don't care what anyone thinks. I don't even care what a potential program parent coming on here to research information thinks. I am here for myself, not you.

If I want to call you a stupid cunt bitch, well, there ya go, I just did. Do I care if a potential program parent discounts everything I say now? Nope.

Obviously you've shown you care about what the parents think. You are trying to convince them of something. I wonder what that is..

:rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

Good luck in life, I couldn't imagine having to actually KNOW someone like you in real life. THAT WOULD BE TERRIBLE! :wave:

[obsidian student]

On 2005-07-20 14:28:00, Anonymous wrote:

"

Sells pretty well to the true believer types---sounds lame and unlikely to unbiased parents who are here to look at possibilities...not propaganda

The parents should also consider what people's motives are. Those who have had terrible experiences as either a prisoner or parent of a prisoner motives are clear. They feel wronged, abused, whatever- and want to make it right. They want others to know what happened to them, so it will not continue to happen.



Now, what are the motives of program supporters? If you child already went through the program succesfully, why not move on with your life? What are you trying to prove? Do you think you are 'helping' other parents by arguing for the program?



Doesn't make a whole lot of sense does it. What does make sense? Money. Cold hard cash. That's why the program supporters are here. I could easily be on here telling everyone about what a GREAT experience I had at a program, only to sucker them into asking me how/why/where, etc. If I refer them to certain programs, I can make thousands of dollars. If my kid is in the program and I refer a new student, I can receive a free month! That's almost $4000!



They might argue it's not about the cash, or trying to persuade themselves of their own doubts, but that is their only motive.



Unless this hypocrite posting above who calls us 'true-believers', is a true believer themselves, only, they believe in the prorgam's ideology. A business to make hundreds of millions of dollars off middle-upper class white families who think they need to take drastic measures.



So- who in reality is a 'true-believer'. It is you, program supporters. You can peddle your bullshit all you want. You only confirm what sadistic, torturing pieces of shit you all are.



This is about FEAR, MONEY and CONTROL. Parents are tired of raising their child. They are tired of waiting up all night to see if they come home. Lucky for them, instead of actually BEING PARENTS, they can just pay someone else to try.



What's wrong with paying a unqualified HICK minimum wage to watch 20 kids? According to the program supporters, nothing. They'd rather have their child be in a private gulag than have to worry. Sounds pretty selfish, eh? It is.



Most parents don't even visit the faciltiy. A lot of parents hire kidnappers to take their child away.



Would you send your child away to a place you've never been?



Would you send your child away to people you've never met?



Would you send your child away to a facility where children have DIED recently?



Would you spend 4000 a month which amounts to nothing more than a camping trip or private prison?



If you answered yes to all these questions, you should talk to the anon program supporter. I'm sure they need another month of free tuition for their own kid that is locked up right now. Why else would they be here justifying themselves online ? "

I can obviously tell from the language the maturity level of many people posting.  If a person survives from cancer and after their recovery wanted to help others cope with the disease.  Would you say they are doing it because they want money.  I have no affiliation with any wilderness school, nor do I think every wilderness school is the perfect option for every child.  However I can say that I to was lied to by my parents and had the escort service take me from New York to oregan,  and I had to endure 4 months in the wilderness.  And I think a wilderness program can be an effective method of dealing with a troubled teenager.  However I would definetly sugggest to any parent thinking about sending there child to a wilderness program to research thouroughly.

[Anonymous]

Come on anon program supporter- YOU KNOW you want to respond?

Lets hear it.

Cunt bitch.

:skull:  :skull:  :skull:

Why not sign your name this time.. pretty please? I want to KNOW you.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-07-20 14:49:00, obsidian student wrote:

"I can obviously tell from the language the maturity level of many people posting.  If a person survives from cancer and after their recovery wanted to help others cope with the disease.  Would you say they are doing it because they want money.  I have no affiliation with any wilderness school, nor do I think every wilderness school is the perfect option for every child.  However I can say that I to was lied to by my parents and had the escort service take me from New York to oregan,  and I had to endure 4 months in the wilderness.  And I think a wilderness program can be an effective method of dealing with a troubled teenager.  However I would definetly sugggest to any parent thinking about sending there child to a wilderness program to research thouroughly."

I can tell by the language used by this poster, they are obviously stupid. The language says it all. Wouldn't you agree?

It sounds to me you don't know what you think. Why not work it out in your own head first before suggesting it to other parents? Just an idea.

Maybe you should think of starting your posts off with something other than an insult next time?

 :wave:

[Anonymous]

On 2005-07-20 14:49:00, obsidian student wrote:

"

On 2005-07-20 14:28:00, Anonymous wrote:


"

Sells pretty well to the true believer types---sounds lame and unlikely to unbiased parents who are here to look at possibilities...not propaganda

The parents should also consider what people's motives are. Those who have had terrible experiences as either a prisoner or parent of a prisoner motives are clear. They feel wronged, abused, whatever- and want to make it right. They want others to know what happened to them, so it will not continue to happen.





Now, what are the motives of program supporters? If you child already went through the program succesfully, why not move on with your life? What are you trying to prove? Do you think you are 'helping' other parents by arguing for the program?





Doesn't make a whole lot of sense does it. What does make sense? Money. Cold hard cash. That's why the program supporters are here. I could easily be on here telling everyone about what a GREAT experience I had at a program, only to sucker them into asking me how/why/where, etc. If I refer them to certain programs, I can make thousands of dollars. If my kid is in the program and I refer a new student, I can receive a free month! That's almost $4000!





They might argue it's not about the cash, or trying to persuade themselves of their own doubts, but that is their only motive.





Unless this hypocrite posting above who calls us 'true-believers', is a true believer themselves, only, they believe in the prorgam's ideology. A business to make hundreds of millions of dollars off middle-upper class white families who think they need to take drastic measures.





So- who in reality is a 'true-believer'. It is you, program supporters. You can peddle your bullshit all you want. You only confirm what sadistic, torturing pieces of shit you all are.





This is about FEAR, MONEY and CONTROL. Parents are tired of raising their child. They are tired of waiting up all night to see if they come home. Lucky for them, instead of actually BEING PARENTS, they can just pay someone else to try.





What's wrong with paying a unqualified HICK minimum wage to watch 20 kids? According to the program supporters, nothing. They'd rather have their child be in a private gulag than have to worry. Sounds pretty selfish, eh? It is.





Most parents don't even visit the faciltiy. A lot of parents hire kidnappers to take their child away.





Would you send your child away to a place you've never been?





Would you send your child away to people you've never met?





Would you send your child away to a facility where children have DIED recently?





Would you spend 4000 a month which amounts to nothing more than a camping trip or private prison?





If you answered yes to all these questions, you should talk to the anon program supporter. I'm sure they need another month of free tuition for their own kid that is locked up right now. Why else would they be here justifying themselves online ? "

I can obviously tell from the language the maturity level of many people posting.  If a person survives from cancer and after their recovery wanted to help others cope with the disease.  Would you say they are doing it because they want money.  I have no affiliation with any wilderness school, nor do I think every wilderness school is the perfect option for every child.  However I can say that I to was lied to by my parents and had the escort service take me from New York to oregan,  and I had to endure 4 months in the wilderness.  And I think a wilderness program can be an effective method of dealing with a troubled teenager.  However I would definetly sugggest to any parent thinking about sending there child to a wilderness program to research thouroughly."

120 days in the wilderness?  That's ridiculous.  How much did that "experience" cost your parents, including the strangers they paid to come and get 'ya?

 :roll:

[Anonymous]

I'm curious- what do you think would of happened if you hadn't gone to the wilderness camp?


Dead, in jail? We are waiting.

[obsidian student]

Alot less than my college tution that I am going to be paying off until I'm 35.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, I hear that. Unfortunately I will be paying my bachelor's off for a while as well. My grandfather left me about 40 g's when he died for school. My dad decided to use it all on a program.

THANKS AGAIN!  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:

[Anonymous]

On 2005-07-20 14:59:00, obsidian student wrote:

"Alot less than my college tution that I am going to be paying off until I'm 35."

Aw shucks!  You mean your parents spent your college fund to send you to a Brat Camp?

Don't feel bad ... that's pretty much the story for most kids whose parents buy into these programs thinking if they don't, the kid won't be going to college anyway.  They'll be dead or in jail.