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[RobertBruce]

On 2005-11-10 17:25:00, Anonymous wrote:

"To respond to the child abuse question- yes. I was abused as a child and I can tell you now that I have learned from it and it has brought me to who I am now, and I love who I am. I would not go back and change that experience, because I know so much more than others my age beacause of it. there is always a bright side, and being negitive about bad things in your life only brings YOU down. I guess you have to just do it to understand.."

Right...learning something from the experience does not automaticaly make it a postive one now does it?

A woman who is raped might learn afterwards not to walk alone at night. Good lesson right? Still doesnt make it a positive experience.

[RobertBruce]

On 2005-11-10 17:28:00, Anonymous wrote:

"and HLA didnt help me, i helped me. You couldve done it too. ITS ALL A CHOICE!"

Couldnt have said it better, Ive made a similar statement many times. Doesnt change the fact that many kids never needed to be there in the first place, and didnt as Aften claims "deserve what they got."

[Anonymous]

"Why do other people's choices bother them? Is it a reminder that all was not well? If they need to focus only on the positive, perhaps this is not the place for them to be. Just a thought.

Trying to understand her experience and viewpoints. They just seem to change depending on who she speaks to."


Point taken. After reading your post I can see where I was a little hasty in mine.

[Anonymous]

the responce to the child abuse thing was me PIP and this is me too. I never said to forget the negitive. I said used the negitive to make it positive.

The child abuse was not 'positive' but i make it positive everyday with the things ive learned. i am glad i went through it b/c it made me who i am and will motivate and drive me to do what i want to do with my life.

About harsh reality slapping someone in the face, you are wrong. People who are positive about things usually deal with things better because they have hope and faith and know how to look at the good things. The harsh realities you speak of could throw anyone for az loop, but a positive person will be able to handle it better in my opinion.

being pissed doesnt change shit, just makes things worse. you shouldnt watse so much time on something you cant change.Know that something was bad, and take that "anger" and make it in to motivation to do better.

Oh and the ITS ALL A CHOICE thing was me too...haha sorry!

[Anonymous]

***being pissed doesnt change shit, just makes things worse. you shouldnt watse so much time on something you cant change.

You'd be mistaken if you don't think that programs and parents read these forums and that changes haven't ocurred due to comments made by people who were 'pissed' about their 'treatment', parents and kids.
There are many who have been hurt by the industry, who are 'pissed' about it, who have very productive lives and choose to speak out about the attrocities that would otherwise be unknown to the general public.
And if you read all the forums here you'd know that there is much more going on than talking/ 'bitch fests'.
May not be your cup of tea. For others, it's not a waste of time. It's as important as discussing the realities of racism, or poverty, or any other social ill. And it doesn't 'bring us down'.

[Anonymous]

being angry is not what put yall on here. you used the anger to drive you to write on here, or to work hard, or wheatever..

All I'm saying is you should simply say parents shouldnt sent their kids therr . i agree. but dont sit around dwelling on how much your life sucked b/c of hla. DO SOMETHING!!!!

I think we are arguing two different points

[Anonymous]

meaning about two different subjects if i wasnt clear--oh and its pip and the one above is me too

[Anonymous]

Are you directing this to any particular person, a group of people, or everyone?
don't sit around dwelling on how much your life sucked b/c of hla

It's possible that we are arguing different points. I'm quiet certain we are not operating with the same definitions or philosophy.
You are making many assumptions about people's motivations and intentions without clarifying.
What would you have others DO? What would they have to DO so you no longer have to dwell on them "sitting around dwelling on how much their life sucked b/c of hla"?

Kinda a lost cause. If HLA couldn't 'change' them, do you think your pleas will? People come to their peace in their own time. Not something they can be coerced to do. A law of nature.

Why not start a thread for happy memories and avoid the others? Seems a workable solution.

[Anonymous]

its not about happy memories, i have very few at hla. ita about looking back and seeing what i have done for myself. when i say do something i mean with your life-productive.,

[RobertBruce]

and how do you know we arent. Because we want to see HLA exposed it means all we do day in and day out is sit at home wasting our lives dwelling on how memories of HLA.

Again you make to many assumptions about people you dont know.

[Anonymous]

ok whatever i think this argument is dumb, so i'm over it. i dont want to have any conflict that is not necisary in my life, and this is totally trivial in the big scheme of things.

[RobertBruce]

Translation

"I said something really stupid that I cant back up and I shouldnt have said it to begin with. So now that Ive lost the point Im going to pretend Im above the entire conversation."

Thanks for clearing that up dear.

[aftenthurston]

HLA brings both positive and negative memories, however, the positve and negitive both induce learning. everyone is so quick to knock HLA when in reality, obviously there was a reason you were sent there, and maybe you evaluate that situation,as well as what may have happened to you, or how you would have turned out without being at HLA. even if you wont admit it, you would more than likley be a whole lot worse off without being pulled from your home environment and placed in a more controlled atmosphere.

[RobertBruce]

On 2005-11-11 14:22:00, aftenthurston wrote:

"HLA brings both positive and negative memories, however, the positve and negitive both induce learning. everyone is so quick to knock HLA when in reality, obviously there was a reason you were sent there, and maybe you evaluate that situation,as well as what may have happened to you, or how you would have turned out without being at HLA. even if you wont admit it, you would more than likley be a whole lot worse off without being pulled from your home environment and placed in a more controlled atmosphere."

Again you assume things you cannot possibly know. What if the reason we sent there was bullshit? What if we were kept there illegally because the staff members knew you didnt belong there but to allow you to leave would constitute admitting you never needed to be there in the first place. What if you would have been awhole lot better off having never gone there? What if that time in your life that you lost would have better spent doing other things? What if all you took from there was an understanding that some people will do and say anything to control others and to steal peoples money.

Would it still be a positive experience then? Did you still need to be sent there? Are you still a better person for having gone there? Would you be worse off if you hadnt?

Dont assume things about people you dont know, nor should you assume that I am the only one who was sent there and remained there under similar circumstances.

Oh and again since you werent listening the first time, just because you learn something doesnt make it a positive experience.

[Anonymous]

dont fucking say that to me. I DONT WANT TO FUCKING FIGHT ANYMORE. just because i am a bigger person, dont put me down. i still stand by what i said, im just not gonna waste my life fighting on the internet. Ok thanks.