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« Reply #330 on: November 09, 2005, 07:28:00 PM »
I most definently agree with you... i'll go with looking at the cup half full, as everyone has probably began to see up here.
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« Reply #331 on: November 09, 2005, 07:28:00 PM »
I most definently agree with you... i'll go with looking at the cup half full, as everyone has probably began to see up here.
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« Reply #332 on: November 10, 2005, 01:03:00 AM »
Would you tell a victim of child abuse "hey look at the bright side"? Would you tell a rape victim "there's always a silver lining?" HLA made us more jaded. It was a life experience that we learned from, but should we thank HLA for the lesson? I for one would have chosen not to have had the abuse. [ This Message was edited by: RobertBruce on 2005-11-09 22:04 ]
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« Reply #333 on: November 10, 2005, 01:28:00 PM »
To each his own... in a way you could look at it as abuse, but on the flip side, you could look at it as a learning experience. I find it absolutly absurd that you can even begin to compare HLA to a rape or abuse victim.
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« Reply #334 on: November 10, 2005, 01:49:00 PM »
Given that you have no idea what RB experienced, is your comment appropriate? While he may have 'learned' something from the experience, it doesn't justify any abuse he endured, physical or psychological.
While you may not have been abused, others allege they were. Where do you draw the line? How far might abuse be taken under the guise of learning and therapy?
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« Reply #335 on: November 10, 2005, 02:51:00 PM »
Are you going to claim that no student was ever abused there? How about just mistreated can you call it that?  What about being held prisoner? How do any of those sit with you?

If you went through any of it would you trade the knowledge you learned from it, for never having the experience to begin with?
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« Reply #336 on: November 10, 2005, 02:58:00 PM »
no, actually i would not ever want to trade the experience of HLA for anything. Maybe people should re-evaluate the way they acted there, and then maybe they would understand better the reasons they were so miserable there. Hmm... there's some food for thought, eh? Maybe YOU GET WHAT YOU DESERVE in many ways!
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« Reply #337 on: November 10, 2005, 04:08:00 PM »
That comment is baffling!
What could you possibly have learned that would make you not want to trade the experience for ANYTHING?
What did you 'get' that you deserved?
But then maybe it was good training for a wanna-be police officer.
Hopefully you learned that it's wrong to incarcerate and hold people incommunicado without just cause and due process.
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« Reply #338 on: November 10, 2005, 04:18:00 PM »
Let's just say that over all it was a good experience, and i wouldn't trade it. it was good for me... and i will be a damn good police officer... and be fair, because, yes, i do know how to deal with certain situations.
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« Reply #339 on: November 10, 2005, 05:14:00 PM »
Youre making assumptions about people you dont know.

You have no idea how each individual namely for this conversation, myself acted while there. Since you dont know how we acted, how can you claim that we brought the misery upon ourselves?

What did we DO to deserve the treatment we recieved from the staff there?

Do you know the crimes of each and every student ever sent there? Do you know if every single one of them needed that sort of enviornment?

Because HLA helped you, does that translate to it helping every student who ever came through?

Judging by these message boards I would say you happen to be in the minority.

Did the jews in concentration camps deserve to be sent there? Did their actions while there legitimize the treatment they recieved?

Is it okay for HLA to be a means to its own end?

Get back to me on these.
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« Reply #340 on: November 10, 2005, 07:49:00 PM »
Clearly most of you didn't learn the meaning of the word empathy. Aften appears to be exercising her ability (and right) to voice independent thought. Did you attempt to empathize with her before bashing her? Has anyone considered her experiences or viewpoints? I imagine you were real prizes in reals. As for her "wanabe police officer" status? Wow, I guess that fits into this boards "when in doubt let's demean, demoralize, and disarm" philosophy of quieting the opposition. If you can't agree to disagree you could consider letting it go? Very cheap shot against Aften.
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« Reply #341 on: November 10, 2005, 08:25:00 PM »
To respond to the child abuse question- yes. I was abused as a child and I can tell you now that I have learned from it and it has brought me to who I am now, and I love who I am. I would not go back and change that experience, because I know so much more than others my age beacause of it. there is always a bright side, and being negitive about bad things in your life only brings YOU down. I guess you have to just do it to understand..
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« Reply #342 on: November 10, 2005, 08:28:00 PM »
and HLA didnt help me, i helped me. You couldve done it too. ITS ALL A CHOICE!
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« Reply #343 on: November 10, 2005, 09:10:00 PM »
Known lots of people who chose to focus only on the 'positve'. What I noticed was they didn't deal very well when a harsh reality slapped them in the face.

Not a thing in the world wrong with choosing to view your abuse as a learning experience. No one here said anything about the choice to do so. The argument was about people telling other people that they should be 'positive', talk about the good, and forget the negative. If you're going to preach your philosophy, you can expect to hear others opinions who find proseletizing offensive.

Why do other people's choices bother them? Is it a reminder that all was not well? If they need to focus only on the positive, perhaps this is not the place for them to be. Just a thought.

Trying to understand her experience and viewpoints. They just seem to change depending on who she speaks to.
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I'm most definently not saying that HLA is the best of places to be, for I would never wish to go there, but I just don't see how people make it out to be as horrendous as some do. I didn't have a pleasurable stay there;

i was always on restrictions, and all that jazz, but it still didn't suck quite as much as i've read.  anyways, this is such a bitch fest... look at the good points of it; and if you can't find them, then obviously you are still HOLDING ON... not LETTING GO. c'mon... workshops??
[Is  this an example of being empathetic to others views and experience???? How can she, or anyone, claim that someone else's experience wasn't as bad as they say it was???]
then:
actually i would not ever want to trade the experience of HLA for anything.

but in the long run, i did learn a lot
then:
learned that I did benefit slightly from the experience.

counslers sucked wicked bad

academics were wicked easy  
i learned NOTHING in there
most definently not saying that the academics are very good

constantly critized for my sexual preference

Staff did engage in relationships with students on occasions though
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Still trying to figure out what made it the experience of a lifetime? Academics were inadequate, criticized for sexual preference, counselors sucked, staff engaged in relationships with their charges, etc. etc. Seems the only 'postive' experience was with the lesbian allies. Again, that's all well and good- no judgment.

The police officer comment was not intended as a bash or a cheap shot. Sincere comment and primarily re: the reality of the program. I don't know why Aften was incarcerated, but there are many who should not have been there, if anyone ever should be. Some are pissed about that and will be pissed until they are done being pissed. And in the long run, that may be the healthier route. Time will tell. Stick to what works for you. Don't project it onto everyone else. That's all.
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« Reply #344 on: November 10, 2005, 09:14:00 PM »
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On 2005-11-10 16:49:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Clearly most of you didn't learn the meaning of the word empathy. Aften appears to be exercising her ability (and right) to voice independent thought. Did you attempt to empathize with her before bashing her? Has anyone considered her experiences or viewpoints? I imagine you were real prizes in reals. As for her "wanabe police officer" status? Wow, I guess that fits into this boards "when in doubt let's demean, demoralize, and disarm" philosophy of quieting the opposition. If you can't agree to disagree you could consider letting it go? Very cheap shot against Aften."


You must be a counsoler. No one is bashing Aften, yet even if they were why are you so quick to come to her defense but ignore Aften discounting the abuse we suffered at the hands of your fellow employees? I mean this would not be acceptable in reals would it? Discounting someone elses feelings and opinions? Oh silly me I forgot its been so long since Ive been there. Its okay to try and invalidate someone elses  thoughts feelings or opinion so long the staff members of HLA find the statement to be bad or wrong. If a statement such as Aftens seems to fall in line with HLA approved thought-anyone who so much as questions it is obviously attacking and is need of correction.
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