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« Reply #210 on: May 03, 2005, 11:21:00 PM »
That's excellent advice.
If it were me, I'd ask for the contact info of at least a dozen parents who pulled their child before graduation, for reasons other than financial difficulty. And then check with all governmental agencies and offices in the area, no matter what program you are considering.

Do you have links to the lawsuits mentioned?
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« Reply #211 on: May 04, 2005, 08:06:00 AM »
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On 2005-05-03 17:45:00, Anonymous wrote:

"When looking for court cases, don't forget to look for the cases of slander, filed and won, by HLA against known persons contributing to these forums.



Why should anyone expect that situations are the same as they were 10 years ago, at any school, or work place for that matter.  Those in this forum seem to be sharing experiences that occurred in the past, and not describing current situations at HLA.



I had no trouble driving onto campus, unannounced, and having a look-see. It's not Princeton, but it also was not a chamber of horrors.



If thinking of HLA for your behaviourally challenged child, simply do your homework, and make sure its up-to-date information from all venues.  There are always different perceptions of reality, dependant on the "baggage" each person brings to the table. "

I guess you're not reading this forum before making comments.  If you actually DID read this thread, you would see that there are former staff from just a month or two ago posting here as well as kids who just left.  Remarkably, these stories are very similar to one another even though temporally separate...

Of course, this is not a matter of "perception," as you state, but rather an example of someone (you) misrepresenting the truth (the information is "10 years old"). Try READING before making a statement and maybe your opinion would take on more gravity, as it would at least RESEMBLE reality.
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« Reply #212 on: May 04, 2005, 12:29:00 PM »
I've read the forum from beginning to end.  I am spcificaly referring only to those persons who repeatedly discuss the first two years and how HLA used to be. (Unqualified personel, no parental visit for 4 months - its 2 months now, etc.) As I stated from my own personal experience, I drove onto campus last month, unannounced, and was not given any trouble as I explored.  

I am not a former student, employee or parent.  I have a deep concern for behaviourally challenged children and teens - cutting; huffing; alcohol and substance abuse; not understanding, nor willing to accept, consequences for their actions; verbally abusive language; no respect for authority, nor understanding that there is an authority other than themselves.  Most "normal" schools are simply not equipped to deal with such children (nor do they want to).

My intention for writing was simply to remind prents of behaviourally challenged children to follow up on their own, rather than relying on a small number of sources, including, not relying on school brochures, nor everything they may read on a website.
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« Reply #213 on: May 04, 2005, 01:08:00 PM »
You're not a former student, employee or parent.
Are you an Ed Con?
And you just drove up without an appointment?

No doubt, the primary thing lenghty incarcerations WILL teach is that there is 'an authority other than themselves'.

There are more humane ways to help teens master their lives.

How many of the kids at HLA do you think fit the stereotypical description you provided?
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« Reply #214 on: May 04, 2005, 01:34:00 PM »
Not an Ed Con
And yes, I just drove up
Didn't see the entire student population at HLA
Can't answer that specific question
Regarding these types of behaviourally challenged children in general, I've seen quite a few.  
For some, going thru Purgatory is the only way to save their lives.
Programs are not for everyone.  Parents need to be judicious in deciding what is right for their particular child.
There is and always will be Authority other than ourselves. We don't master our own lives.
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« Reply #215 on: May 04, 2005, 01:41:00 PM »
It's equally disturbing to me that someone who has no connection to the "school" - i.e. not a parent, not a family member, not an ed con, etc - can just drive onto campus and start "exploring" without hindrance or even verification of identification.  

THAT'S pretty scary in and of itself...
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« Reply #216 on: May 04, 2005, 02:14:00 PM »
***There is and always will be Authority other than ourselves. We don't master our own lives

An important aspect of mastering our environment is coming to the realization that there will always be authority other than ourselves. And further mastery entails being able to recognize when the external authority is or is not acting in our best interest. There is nothing useful or mature about blindly following 'authority'. Critical thinking and negotiation skills are much more important in the real world, and not taught with punishment.

If a child's real needs are being met, there is little to no need for external 'authority', guidance will suffice. And would never result in two years of isolation from their families and the real world, where they are not mastering anything of real value, in my estimation.

Children want parents who have mastered these aspects of their own lives. If they modeled mastery, their kid might actually desire to follow. Short of that, we have 'authority', 'incarceration', and 'punishment'.
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« Reply #217 on: May 04, 2005, 05:08:00 PM »
If this person showed identification, and then checked the school out, that wouldn't be so scary. I would assume they did at least verify who this person was.
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« Reply #218 on: May 04, 2005, 07:05:00 PM »
I would be disappointed if they hadn't.

I drove out to the facility the evening before a family workshop. As I pulled into the parking lot I happened to see my son round the corner of a building carrying a black trash bag and a trash stick. I was driving over to say hello and was stopped by a staff person and told that I must leave and not return until the scheduled event. I was not allowed to even say hello.

It's a bit out-of-the-way for people just to drop in. I can't imagine a person driving there without an appointment and risking being turned away. Doesn't seem reasonable.
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« Reply #219 on: May 04, 2005, 09:28:00 PM »
If a catholic parishoner who was raped thirty years ago by their priest and calls that same priest a rapist he cant sue the parishoner for slander can he? Even if he hasnt raped anyone in that thirty years he can still be called a rapist can he not. Even if HLA has dramatically changed in the past few years( which again apparently it has not given the testimony of recent students and teachers) it still would not change the atrocities of the past would it? It would not change the fact that HLA has apparently gone 11 years without proper licensure would it? You tell me, followed by posting links referencing some of these law suits youre refering to.


MRS GREY why so quiet now? To many questions and issues you cant respond to?
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« Reply #220 on: May 05, 2005, 02:26:00 PM »
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On 2005-05-04 18:28:00, RobertBruce wrote:

"If a catholic parishoner who was raped thirty years ago by their priest and calls that same priest a rapist he cant sue the parishoner for slander can he? Even if he hasnt raped anyone in that thirty years he can still be called a rapist can he not. Even if HLA has dramatically changed in the past few years( which again apparently it has not given the testimony of recent students and teachers) it still would not change the atrocities of the past would it? It would not change the fact that HLA has apparently gone 11 years without proper licensure would it? You tell me, followed by posting links referencing some of these law suits youre refering to.





MRS GREY why so quiet now? To many questions and issues you cant respond to?"

Mrs. Gray's likely response to you, Robert...

"I TOLD you not to call me MRS. GRAY!!  Stop it!

You're all so twisted.  I NEVER LIE.  And, by the way, I'm not into denial.  WHATEVER, Robert!"

See?  I just gave you all the substance you'd be likely to get from Mrs. Gray, AND you didn't have to actually DEAL with her!
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« Reply #221 on: May 10, 2005, 10:37:00 AM »
You forgot the the multiple "LMAO" and the "I'll post up those sledding pictures when I get the chance, I do take care of TWO disabled family members. FEEL SORRY FOR ME!!!!"
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« Reply #222 on: May 12, 2005, 09:33:00 AM »
Well, at least she's gone.  That's positive...
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« Reply #223 on: May 12, 2005, 10:05:00 AM »
Actualy Ive been going back and forth with someone on the amazing forums board, who doesnt sound like her, but is saying some of the same things, namely that he knows who I am, however all of his guesses to date have been pulled straight from his ass, but the ususal refusing to admit when shown to be wrong, and desperate attempts to detract from issues, along with refusing to answer questions. Definitly smacks of her or someone shes talking to. Either way shell be back here, she cant stand for us to be telling the truth for to long.
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« Reply #224 on: May 18, 2005, 12:24:00 PM »
The following is a letter I had written in response to a concerned parent who currently has a child at Hidden Lake Academy:
     "Hello.  The letter you viewed was one I'd written last year around this time actually.  I'd love to answer any questions you have.  I must first ask though, why was he sent to HLA?  The reason I ask is because you need to ask yourself a very serious question,  Was the way he was before he went to HLA as dangerous as how he may feel upon his life after HLA?  I'll give you a quick background of my story in order for you to understand.  Right up to the time before I went to HLA, I had ceased caring whether I lived or died and had become a wandering junkie among the streets after dropping out of school and running away from home.  I was sent to HLA upon a court order.  I don't want to go into detail about how horrible my experience was at HLA, but I will say that there's no real individual counseling in order to find out what each child needs.  It's all done the cheapest way possible in order for them to still say that they are counseling, which is group counseling.  Group counseling on a mass structure can be successful when everyone may be suffering from the same problems such as Alcoholics Anonymous, but in this case what one child needs another may not.  You must also understand that because of this they fill everyones heads with the same rules of life by breaking down everything they've been taught and rebuilding their thinking.  This sounds as if it could be good, yes?  But it's not.  It's not actually correcting any problems.  It's covering them up with a therapeutic veneer and teaching them to suppress their problems since they're not actually working through them.  This insures that they may seem like things are better for them and that they're cured for a long enough time for them to leave HLA and then some.  As you know though, anything suppressed will eventually surface and need to be dealt with again.  So in actuallity HLA did nothing except offer a temporary fix.  For some it does work, but very few.  Most of the children end up with double the amount of problems, because you then have to worry about the same old problems accompanied by the trust issues and identity disorder that HLA has installed.  After leaving HLA I started noticing that I felt like a robot.  It took awhile to figure out who I was again.  Through all this searching I was lucky, because I started noticing subtle beauties in life that made me want to live, plus being sober I was able to look back at all the wrongs I'd done and people I'd hurt and became determined to change some of my ways.  Now I'm a very happy person for the most part, but I do suffer from some problems that I'm not sure if I'll ever be able to overcome, because my mind doesn't recognize them.  They're purely irrational thoughts that I can't control which cause me to have panic attacks.  I have social anxiety disorder and some serious trust issues from things my last psychologist said had become such a deep part of my psyche that it was part of my personality and could become a danger to try to change.  I have learned to function fine as long as I take my medication.  I am in a very successful relationship,  my parents and I are now much better friends, and I care about my life as well as others'...  Once again, I must say, that was my story.  Everybody's story's different.  For some the rebellious teenager is just a phase.  It's practically impossible to know that though since we can't see the future.  My parents have apologized a few times about getting me sent to HLA, because they see what it has done.  They say that if they could go back they would do things differently.  I don't think it's that easy though.  I needed some help and my parents just didn't know what to do.  I do not blame them for anything.  They did what they felt they had to after we'd gotten into some serious scuffles and they saw me slowly but rapidly dying.  You can see why I said that this is a very hard question to deal with.  My advice personally is not HLA and is one on one counseling with the whole family.  Make sure also that the psychologist is not a friend of anyone in the family, because you do not want them to be tempted into taking sides because of the personal relationship he/she has with a family member.  For all we know, there may be things about all of you that may need to change in order for there to be that balance that your family needs.  I know that's how it was for us, my family that is.  This means that you must be open for anything that your therapist may say to you without getting defensive.  There is no easy way out of this.  Remember that...  I to have never told my parents certain disturbing things that have gone on there, because they already beat themselves up over sending me there, so I can understand why your son is reluctant to say anything.  Plus there's also the fact that he's scared to because of what they may try to pull.  I was brainwashed into trying to commit suicide when they found out that I was trying to get my court order dropped because I felt like I'd worked through all of my problems, mostly on my own because i was willing and wanted to change things in my life.  They wanted me to slip up and try something so as not to lose my money.  It didn't exactly work as they wanted it to because we discovered what they were trying to do.  Avarice and the ability to control someone's mind don't mix...  Concerning your academics worry, there are no real academics.  In spanish, the answers were always on the bottom of the page upside down and no teaching was involved, just worksheets.  It's a gimic in order to make the parents feel as if some change is occuring.  You cannot fail a class, you get incompletes until they make you do it with work assignments or calistenics.  I remember when I made honor roll, my parents were so proud that I didn't even tell them that I was only in my first week of the school classes and hadn't actually done anything yet.  So he may get good grades, but there's no serious learning taking place.   I'd be more worried about his being able to function upon leaving than his academics though, because his credits should transfer fine.  But he may do horrible in the next school because although it states that he made an A in the previous math class, there's a good chance he didn't learn anything, so it's going to be more difficult for him to keep up since he's been out of a real school environment for so long...  I hope that all of this will encourage you to make the decision you feel is best.  I'm sorry you must go through this, but since you must, please make the best educated decision possible.  This is your son's future and possibly his life at stake.  Since you obviously care about him in order to seek my help, I'm sure you'll do what is best.  Here is a link yu may find helpful, http://www.heal-online.org/hiddenlake.htm....  Are you aware that there are a few class action lawsuits in the works against HLA?..  Please do not tell HLA that you have spoken with me.  They are very powerful and have the ability to come up with answers to anything, hence the psychologist part.  I'm risking alot by sharing these things with you.  Thankyou and Goodluck.  Love, Me"
I have posted this with the hopes that I could help answer some questions for those in worry.  If you are planning to or know someone who may be planning to undergo such circumstances, please forward on this letter.  Thankyou.
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