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« Reply #195 on: April 27, 2005, 12:35:00 PM »
Your comments in #1 are mute. My reference to ?patsy? has to do with someone feeding you erroneous information, which you post here to keep people busy straightening out the inaccurate information. Didn?t claim they ?sent you here?. As I?ve said before, you don?t strike me as the type that HLA would choose to speak for them. You're too unprofessional.

Okay, so you recently remembered that you?d eaten in the cafeteria 3-5 times more often than you originally remembered. And, how many ?intimate? conversations did you have with students? Intimate enough to know how they honestly felt and what they thought.

10 (70 PGs) = 700 total  Divide that by 10 years and you?ve got 70 kids who might have graduated every year. Or 140 every two years.
8 (70 PGs) = 560 students that left before graduating. I assume their parents were unhappy. The fact that they?re not posting here doesn?t deminish that reality.
That number could be low, as my son?s PG started with 18 and ended with 8.

The comment about ?the majority? of kids had to do with "the majority of kids were not happy about being there?,  NOT that the majority of unhappy kids are posting here. Another mute argument.  :roll:

You ?figured out? nothing about my custody status and if you have a shred of decency you will refrain from stating assumptions about me personally,  as facts. I can?t fathom how you deduced that from ?my postings?. Care to elaborate specifically?

I?m sure it is very difficult to impossible for you to believe that a parent could place their child in a program without the other parents knowledge or consent and in violation of a court ordered decree. Then conspire with the program to keep them there when the matter is taken to family court. I understand !!!  I could not believe it was happening either. Neither could my family or friends, or the professionals I consulted with.  But it did, and is not uncommon in the industry. It?s unethical at best. And, unfortunately his and HLAs perjured  ?word? did weigh in more than mine.
Are you genuinely ignorant or pretending to be? Even parents with limited custody still have the right to have access to their child?s schools and records, doctors, and such; unless those rights have been removed by court order.

My ex has a history of not understanding the divorce decree. As part of discovery for a lawsuit, I have in my possession letters that he sent to a facility he placed our older son in claiming that I had no rights and all visits must be approved by him. Got that straightened out and forced them to honor my visitation rights. I showed up every weekend and took my son... much to their dismay.
When he placed our second son, closer to home. Same scenerio. Took a copy of the decree to them and they relented and honored my court ordered rights, which supercede the program's rules re: visitation, btw.
I spect that was in part why he took him 1000 miles away to HLA, overnight. Impossible for me to get there every weekend and demand my visitation.
Welcome to the real world. Irrational and vengeful parents do violate the law when they feel certain they can get by with it.

Search for 'carey bock' and read her testimony. That is just one case that was well publicized.
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« Reply #196 on: April 27, 2005, 07:53:00 PM »
just for the record...i do not monitor the board for HLA, i just got tired of all the negativity and thought i would add a different or differing perspective.  i really am no ones stooge, just a curious employee.
thanks!
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« Reply #197 on: April 28, 2005, 03:11:00 PM »
Who happens to report all this nasty nasty truth telling to your bosses?
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« Reply #198 on: April 28, 2005, 05:45:00 PM »
Well I suppose if they wanted to they could look this site up on the internet just as easily as the rest of us....I am sure they are fully capable of that task...they sure as heck dont need me to do that for them! LOL I post for my own purposes not theirs..I dont work for them anymore or even live in GA anymore.
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« Reply #199 on: April 28, 2005, 08:50:00 PM »
So you agree then that we telling the truth then? My goodness Mrs. Gray you might just be making progress!
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« Reply #200 on: April 28, 2005, 09:14:00 PM »
man Robert your brain is twisted..nowhere in my statement did i say that ...I said they could come here...the "reporting" part...I didnt say anything was truth or fiction now did i...you really read some bizarre chit into things dont you LOL
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« Reply #201 on: April 29, 2005, 08:23:00 AM »
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"man Robert your brain is twisted..nowhere in my statement did i say that ...I said they could come here...the "reporting" part...I didnt say anything was truth or fiction now did i...you really read some bizarre chit into things dont you LOL"

I thought you weren't going to respond to Robert anymore?  The compulsion is part of your disease.
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« Reply #202 on: April 29, 2005, 12:40:00 PM »
Disease??? What is my disease? I post on a message board and you say I'm diseased? with what??? LOL!! Oh yes thats right..this one comes from the person who wants me to commit suicide because they dont agree with my postings...sounds like Im not the one with a disease.
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« Reply #203 on: April 29, 2005, 01:11:00 PM »
Just giving you the stock HLA answer...  How's it feel?
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« Reply #204 on: April 29, 2005, 05:26:00 PM »
Oh Mrs. Grey dont be silly, you dont need to exhibit and real symptoms for us to declare you have a disease. Someone(a doctor is not nessecary anyone will do) just has to say you have one and alakazam youve got a disease. Youre okay with this philosphy arent you? I mean you were okay with it when it put food on your table, I dont see why youd have a problem with it now. The first thing we need to do is get you to admitt you have a problem, followed by an addmission of guilt of anything and everything we can possibly dredge up, real and imagiened. You support this type of treatment correct?

Mrs. Grey when can we expect you to call up ORS, I mean you claimed I was lying about HLA being improperly licensed yet you still refuse to bother to find out the truth why is this?


Oh and still waiting for you to ever back up your idle threats. Glad to have you reinforce the fact that you know absolutly nothing about me, goes along with you knowing absolutly nothing about HLA.
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« Reply #205 on: April 29, 2005, 06:14:00 PM »
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 I have spent the last three days reading everything that everyone has posted as far back as it would let me go. I have been a graduate of this school for almost a year now, and still question how I got through it. Many people think we are trying to be dramatic or get attention when we make cliche comments like that about our experience, but I well assure you, that It is an accurate statement. I look back at those 2 years and wonder if it really happened? How could it have? The only way I found to survive was to become everything they wanted me to be.

Ive been writing since I was young, and have my own certain style and subject matter I enjoy writing about. My journal was found one day by a staff member in a random room search (common) and given to my counselors. From then on they read my journal regularly and confescated it when the subject matter didn't fit to to their liking. That was one of the biggest violations of privacy i'd ever had, and finally just stopped writing. Same with my art, and musical interests. I'd be put on restrictions if any of those areas rubbed them the wrong way.

Countless other incidences occured while residing there but I think the most offensive was feeling like I had to change everything about myself to not be punished. Not negative behavior, not acting out, just simple personality traits like taste in music, and style of art and writing. Its an awful feeling.

You'll hear from me again... Just need to register and stuff. Parents, please dont be hesitant to ask anything. I am definitely against Hidden Lake, but I am also honest. I dont embellish or lie about what went on there, and would like to be considered an objective source for facts about the place. Hah, and then opinions I'll give on my own time.

Oh, and Deborah, Robert, and Dysfunction, thank you for your incredible research and devotion to putting an end to HLA. It helps us who have gone through that place and were told every day we were liars and manipulators to know there is someone who believes us. Thank you.
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« Reply #206 on: April 29, 2005, 11:26:00 PM »
Uh oh MRS. GREY wont like that, nor will Lynn after all anyone who has something negative to say about HLA is bad and sick sick sick, and of course a liar, probably worships Satan and in all likelyhood eats babies.

How will you respond to this MRS. GREY? Will you discount his experinces, and claim he is exageratting or telling half truths? What will you do MRS. GREY?

Will you ever back up your threats MRS. GREY? I doubt it. Face the facts that you cannot.

Anonymus Im glad to help, I know what your going through and would be glad to discuss any of the atrocities of HLA with you.

Oh and MRS. GREY Im confused, in reviewing earlier post you claimed you knew when it was I had attended HLA yet you told Juniper you didnt know. Which is it? Also Im wondering since I predicted you would want to change the subject about your claim that not only was there no racism in Daholonga but that racism is more prevalent in the north than in the south. Since I was correct in my prediction do I get a sticker of some sorts or just to get to call you an easily predicatable simpleton?
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« Reply #207 on: April 30, 2005, 08:53:00 AM »
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 I have spent the last three days reading everything that everyone has posted as far back as it would let me go. I have been a graduate of this school for almost a year now, and still question how I got through it. Many people think we are trying to be dramatic or get attention when we make cliche comments like that about our experience, but I well assure you, that It is an accurate statement. I look back at those 2 years and wonder if it really happened? How could it have? The only way I found to survive was to become everything they wanted me to be.



Ive been writing since I was young, and have my own certain style and subject matter I enjoy writing about. My journal was found one day by a staff member in a random room search (common) and given to my counselors. From then on they read my journal regularly and confescated it when the subject matter didn't fit to to their liking. That was one of the biggest violations of privacy i'd ever had, and finally just stopped writing. Same with my art, and musical interests. I'd be put on restrictions if any of those areas rubbed them the wrong way.



Countless other incidences occured while residing there but I think the most offensive was feeling like I had to change everything about myself to not be punished. Not negative behavior, not acting out, just simple personality traits like taste in music, and style of art and writing. Its an awful feeling.



You'll hear from me again... Just need to register and stuff. Parents, please dont be hesitant to ask anything. I am definitely against Hidden Lake, but I am also honest. I dont embellish or lie about what went on there, and would like to be considered an objective source for facts about the place. Hah, and then opinions I'll give on my own time.



Oh, and Deborah, Robert, and Dysfunction, thank you for your incredible research and devotion to putting an end to HLA. It helps us who have gone through that place and were told every day we were liars and manipulators to know there is someone who believes us. Thank you.

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Welcome, young lady/gentleman (?).  Thank you for shedding some light on the situation for us.  I look forward to your continued involvement.

I appreciate your compliment, but it is really misplaced on me.  Yes, Robert and Deborah have done outstanding jobs of pointing out legal/technical facts about HLA's licensure, etc.

As for my part, I have stated facts about HLA's operations/philosophy, etc. drawn from my experience working there at it's inception through the first two years.  Of course, I have direct, first-hand knowledge of how this place operates because I was involved in the planning, the formulation of policy and so forth.

As I have stated previously, HLA has a nice, attractive, shiny wrapper, but when you examine it closely, it's a worm-eaten apple.  Based on what was expressed to me as their "vision," I did truly believe that HLA would be something special and different to help kids who weren't able to be helped by other means.  This couldn't have been further from reality.

I soon realized that the staff were from CEDU, a known highly abusive facility.  They were very strange in the way they acted and interacted with the kids.  Oftentimes they were outright abusive, verbally abusing children and doing things that made my sense of decency suffer, like rationing food as punishment.

Early on I found that nobody there was actually licensed or educated to perform therapy.  Not only that, but the so-called "clinical director" had a phony degree (which was known to the owner, but he did not act to rectify the situation).  I routinely saw the rules being changed on the fly to suit a staffer's manipulations.  

I saw adults "getting off" on humiliating kids.  I saw the Headmaster (no mental health degree and a CEDUite) stand a child up in front of the entire student body and staff and "explain" why he had "the smallest dick in the entire school."  The kid was crushed and I was astounded, flabbergasted, and deeply embarrassed.

Eventually, I saw that this ship could not be righted and that nobody had any interest in doing so.  It was a contradiction to everything I had learned in college and an affront to my sensibilities, so I left.  

Before I left I spilled the beans on the dirty staff, including cocaine use, and again, nothing was done.  After the cokehead employee ADMITTED it in front of me and the Headmaster, she was allowed to stay on staff.  She simply had too much dirt on the program to be fired, as she might have "told on" some folks (I believe that she eventually ended up in court with HLA and some of their dirty business was exposed, but not enough).

Needless to say, I knew this place was "all wrong," but I had never known before that there was a common thread to all of these places and the methods they use to extract the maximum dollar from duped parents while providing less than the minimum standard of care for their "clients."

I knew, for example, that no student was allowed to "fail" any class.  They were simply given a passing grade, regardless of performance.  Classes were "taught" by people who didn't have education degrees at all.  Group "therapy" was run by staff with ABSOLUTELY NO CREDENTIALS WHATSOEVER, and consisted of berating kids and calling them names like "slut," "whore," "prostitute," and adjectives like "worthless," "incorrigible," even "asshole," and "faggot."

Of course, there is more, but I will truncate my comments because they are available elsewhere on this board.  I made every effort to disclose and discuss these issues with the owner of the facility.  His ears were deaf.  Nothing was changing, and I could see that the money was really starting to pour in, so nothing would change ("Don't fuck with the cash flow" was how it appeared to me).

It was ALL WRONG.  And, thanks to your post, anon, I can clearly see it still is...


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« Reply #208 on: May 01, 2005, 12:55:00 AM »
there seemed to be alot of court involvements regarding HLA, do you know where i would be able to find the court documents related to these cases?  usually a closed court case is public knowledge (not right word, but it is late and i cannot think, but hopefully you will know what i mean).
i would like to see some of the charges and "resolutions" they have had!
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« Reply #209 on: May 03, 2005, 08:45:00 PM »
When looking for court cases, don't forget to look for the cases of slander, filed and won, by HLA against known persons contributing to these forums.

Why should anyone expect that situations are the same as they were 10 years ago, at any school, or work place for that matter.  Those in this forum seem to be sharing experiences that occurred in the past, and not describing current situations at HLA.

I had no trouble driving onto campus, unannounced, and having a look-see. It's not Princeton, but it also was not a chamber of horrors.

If thinking of HLA for your behaviourally challenged child, simply do your homework, and make sure its up-to-date information from all venues.  There are always different perceptions of reality, dependant on the "baggage" each person brings to the table.
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