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« Reply #75 on: November 29, 2005, 01:17:00 AM »
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"You doubt that there was one person on this site that didn't know Andrew Mazur. Your wrong. Knew him better than any of you who sit there and pretend to know him or know what he was about. You all knew shit. He didn't commit suicide. It was a overdose. And it wasn't crack that killed him. Get your shit figured out then you can talk about him. And if you want to sit and talk more shit about him. Call me up and say it to my Face...554-4281

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who is this because if your as close as you are you should know me

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« Reply #76 on: May 02, 2006, 06:32:00 AM »
actually i lost family to the holocaust and i attended a bemod program. i lost family there too My sister comited suicide.The comparison is apt.

A strong group persecutes a weak minority for no reason. Their fanatism, Greed, personal demons, and love of  complete Totalitarian Domination over another person drive them to completely disregard the persons' human rights. In both, the childs family help to kill her. In one way the bemod world is much darker, the childs family leads the charge to slaugher her.

Everything was twisted so that anything done to my sister was acceptable and acts of gratutious and perverted cruelty were seen as necessary and merited acts of rigeousness. Her every action and word was attacked as :sick" & "selfish" I watched as bit by bit my sister was murdered. I was there as she slowly was dismantled. I even took part in it. "better her then me"  I know you will say that one destoyed helpless child is not the holocaust but for me it is the same. To me she is worth every soul in the world. she is MY SISTER
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« Reply #77 on: May 02, 2006, 01:54:00 PM »
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On 2006-05-02 03:32:00, Anonymous wrote:

"actually i lost family to the holocaust and i attended a bemod program. i lost family there too My sister comited suicide.The comparison is apt.



A strong group persecutes a weak minority for no reason. Their fanatism, Greed, personal demons, and love of  complete Totalitarian Domination over another person drive them to completely disregard the persons' human rights. In both, the childs family help to kill her. In one way the bemod world is much darker, the childs family leads the charge to slaugher her.



Everything was twisted so that anything done to my sister was acceptable and acts of gratutious and perverted cruelty were seen as necessary and merited acts of rigeousness. Her every action and word was attacked as :sick" & "selfish" I watched as bit by bit my sister was murdered. I was there as she slowly was dismantled. I even took part in it. "better her then me"  I know you will say that one destoyed helpless child is not the holocaust but for me it is the same. To me she is worth every soul in the world. she is MY SISTER"


Well you must not know much about AARC. My Grandmother isa German Jew who left Germany in 1935 had more than a dozen family members killed in concentration camps by the Nazis. She came to Open Meeting at AARC more than once. She and my grandfather donated to AARC for more than 10 years. She is so grateful to have a grandson back in her life after years of active addiction. After her only daughter, my mother, passed away it was my sister and I who have pitched in to help her. That is the reality of AARC. Turning around lives to become positive people for their families.
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« Reply #78 on: May 02, 2006, 11:29:00 PM »
has anyone noticed that when the bemod prisons have been closed, there are not constant posters defending the prisons?

Isnt this a bit suspicous? The prisons seem to be employing their "products" (your word not mine)  staff & owners to promote the prison. If this was not so,their would be equal dedenders on the closed prisons- especailly since the owners of the closed prisons are the same as the now opened ones.

I know a great deal about AARC, as do you, though you'll never admit it. DId you know that many nazi leaders insisted to the end they were not killing jews? And this was when they had the whole power of the world agaisnt them. They were sitting in jail, on the run, hounded out of their communiities, facing an international crimes tribunal...and still they denied it. Why would anyone expect you to admit what you have done becasue one girl on the internet relates your program murdered her sister?

What we need is the power of the law behind us- ((even then it will be tough. Do you know that most of the Nazi drs served only 2-9 years for performing experiments, torturing and murdering thousands of people))) But thats what we need. We need to get together and go to the authorities and media- everyone. People (after a while) will not alow the imprisnment and torture of kids to go on. Its up to us no one else is going to help us. They need to find out about the cult/totalitarian prison that is the AARC Can someone suggest a way to get all the survivor testimony to helpful authorities and to attract other survivors?
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« Reply #79 on: May 03, 2006, 12:24:00 AM »
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"has anyone noticed that when the bemod prisons have been closed, there are not constant posters defending the prisons?



Isnt this a bit suspicous? The prisons seem to be employing their "products" (your word not mine)  staff & owners to promote the prison. If this was not so,their would be equal dedenders on the closed prisons- especailly since the owners of the closed prisons are the same as the now opened ones.



I know a great deal about AARC, as do you, though you'll never admit it. DId you know that many nazi leaders insisted to the end they were not killing jews? And this was when they had the whole power of the world agaisnt them. They were sitting in jail, on the run, hounded out of their communiities, facing an international crimes tribunal...and still they denied it. Why would anyone expect you to admit what you have done becasue one girl on the internet relates your program murdered her sister?



What we need is the power of the law behind us- ((even then it will be tough. Do you know that most of the Nazi drs served only 2-9 years for performing experiments, torturing and murdering thousands of people))) But thats what we need. We need to get together and go to the authorities and media- everyone. People (after a while) will not alow the imprisnment and torture of kids to go on. Its up to us no one else is going to help us. They need to find out about the cult/totalitarian prison that is the AARC Can someone suggest a way to get all the survivor testimony to helpful authorities and to attract other survivors? "






More chaos logic I suppose... rather unsupported banter from an aching neolib.

Really, in order to see where you are coming from, I would have to intisuscept my head with my anus.. and well... my ass isn't loose enough for anything like that.

The authorities know full well what goes on in AARC. The government is well aware of the procedures therein. There had been detailed video documentary of the inner workings of AARC. What I am saying is that if someone found the treatment unethical or in a breach of basic human rights; AARC would be shut down completely.

I now ask; "What ground do you have left to stand on to support anything you are saying?"

I have removed and refuted several of your arguements in this post, pretty much leaving you with no basis to your hypothesis. Are you willing to continue?

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« Reply #80 on: May 03, 2006, 08:16:00 PM »
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On 2006-05-02 20:29:00, Anonymous wrote:

"has anyone noticed that when the bemod prisons have been closed, there are not constant posters defending the prisons?



Isnt this a bit suspicous? The prisons seem to be employing their "products" (your word not mine)  staff & owners to promote the prison. If this was not so,their would be equal dedenders on the closed prisons- especailly since the owners of the closed prisons are the same as the now opened ones.



I know a great deal about AARC, as do you, though you'll never admit it. DId you know that many nazi leaders insisted to the end they were not killing jews? And this was when they had the whole power of the world agaisnt them. They were sitting in jail, on the run, hounded out of their communiities, facing an international crimes tribunal...and still they denied it. Why would anyone expect you to admit what you have done becasue one girl on the internet relates your program murdered her sister?



What we need is the power of the law behind us- ((even then it will be tough. Do you know that most of the Nazi drs served only 2-9 years for performing experiments, torturing and murdering thousands of people))) But thats what we need. We need to get together and go to the authorities and media- everyone. People (after a while) will not alow the imprisnment and torture of kids to go on. Its up to us no one else is going to help us. They need to find out about the cult/totalitarian prison that is the AARC Can someone suggest a way to get all the survivor testimony to helpful authorities and to attract other survivors? "


Your baseless and disgusting comparison of AARC to Nazis and their slaughter of millions of innocents is disgusting and shamefull. My grandmother and her family were decimated by the nazis. The comparison is baseless and ignorant. We live in a society of laws and intrusive media. After 14 years of helping kids and their families there was ANY abuse whatsoever it would have been exposed. Your conspiracy theories are typical of all that seek to defame decent organizations. Throw out accusations and wild comparisons and hope that something sticks. After how many years of this and still nothing. Not one substantiated complaint. I could care less about your ranting, but when you dishonor those of us who have lost family in WW II you go to far.
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« Reply #81 on: May 19, 2006, 07:26:00 AM »
actually i lost family to the holocaust and i attended a bemod program. i lost family there too My sister comited suicide.The comparison is apt.



A strong group persecutes a weak minority for no reason. Their fanatism, Greed, personal demons, and love of complete Totalitarian Domination over another person drive them to completely disregard the persons' human rights. In both, the childs family help to kill her. In one way the bemod world is much darker, the childs family leads the charge to slaugher her.



Everything was twisted so that anything done to my sister was acceptable and acts of gratutious and perverted cruelty were seen as necessary and merited acts of rigeousness. Her every action and word was attacked as :sick" & "selfish" I watched as bit by bit my sister was murdered. I was there as she slowly was dismantled. I even took part in it. "better her then me" I know you will say that one destoyed helpless child is not the holocaust but for me it is the same. To me she is worth every soul in the world. she is MY SISTER"
i wrote that and stand besided everything I said. Looks like you supposedly lost family in the holocaust too. Wow, whose holocaust-link gives them more moral authority!? I have a deal- you give kids human rights , like the ones Nazis stole from Jews, Ill stop calling you a nazi. As Jews today cannot be kidnapped, imprisoned, & tortured for for years& years without trial or legal representation (or somethimes even the accusation of illegal action) neither should children.

Crazy huh? Suggesting children should be granted the rights of a human being
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« Reply #82 on: May 19, 2006, 06:50:00 PM »
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"actually i lost family to the holocaust and i attended a bemod program. i lost family there too My sister comited suicide.The comparison is apt.







A strong group persecutes a weak minority for no reason. Their fanatism, Greed, personal demons, and love of complete Totalitarian Domination over another person drive them to completely disregard the persons' human rights. In both, the childs family help to kill her. In one way the bemod world is much darker, the childs family leads the charge to slaugher her.







Everything was twisted so that anything done to my sister was acceptable and acts of gratutious and perverted cruelty were seen as necessary and merited acts of rigeousness. Her every action and word was attacked as :sick" & "selfish" I watched as bit by bit my sister was murdered. I was there as she slowly was dismantled. I even took part in it. "better her then me" I know you will say that one destoyed helpless child is not the holocaust but for me it is the same. To me she is worth every soul in the world. she is MY SISTER"

i wrote that and stand besided everything I said. Looks like you supposedly lost family in the holocaust too. Wow, whose holocaust-link gives them more moral authority!? I have a deal- you give kids human rights , like the ones Nazis stole from Jews, Ill stop calling you a nazi. As Jews today cannot be kidnapped, imprisoned, & tortured for for years& years without trial or legal representation (or somethimes even the accusation of illegal action) neither should children.



Crazy huh? Suggesting children should be granted the rights of a human being"


Your "program" that you were a part of sounds like it was disgusting. You should be ashamed of how you helped destroy your sister. But obviously you know nothing about AARC. Your ignorance causes you to lump every place that has anything to do with young people together. Not unlike Nazis lumping Cathoics, Jews, homosexuals and Gypsies together, calling them evil and then destroying them.
My sister was in AARC as sibling. She was able to speak her mind, dealt with lots of issues, made great frinds and reconnected with me. We are close and great friends. I feel sorry for you taking part in your sisters demise. No one trampled on my human rights. I was 21 when I went to AARC, entered freely and could have left at any time. No guards, bars etc. So please get a clue. And if you care to call me a Nazi let me know where and when and I would be happy to discuss it with you face to face you gutless coward.
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« Reply #83 on: May 19, 2006, 06:55:00 PM »
While I would not wish a severley addicted child on anyone, I wonder what you would do if your child was a drug addict and totally out of control. The majority of kids in AARC haveen through every conceivable type of "therapy" only to get worse and worse. That description sure fit me. Now I have over a decade of health and success. Not bragging, just a fact. Most of the graduates I know are the same. Happy and highly functional. Maybe one day you will have the joys of a crack or meth or alcohol addicted child who is killing themself.
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« Reply #84 on: June 03, 2006, 06:37:00 PM »
???Your "program" that you were a part of sounds like it was disgusting. You should be ashamed of how you helped destroy your sister. But obviously you know nothing about AARC. Your ignorance causes you to lump every place that has anything to do with young people together. Not unlike Nazis lumping Cathoics, Jews, homosexuals and Gypsies together, calling them evil and then destroying them.
My sister was in AARC as sibling. She was able to speak her mind, dealt with lots of issues, made great frinds and reconnected with me. We are close and great friends. I feel sorry for you taking part in your sisters demise. No one trampled on my human rights. I was 21 when I went to AARC, entered freely and could have left at any time. No guards, bars etc. So please get a clue. And if you care to call me a Nazi let me know where and when and I would be happy to discuss it with you face to face you gutless coward.??????


So you were 21 about 14 years ago? Don?t you think when you?re pushing 40 you?re a bit old to be threatening girls with beat downs? We are not in AARC and you cannot ?restrain? girls into doing what you want them to anymore.

My close friend was abused by her mother - sexually, psychologically, physically. She was imprisoned, tied up, had her head shaved (some of the highlights) and coerced into feeding her sister from a dog bowl. I was coerced to tell my sister she was sick - program guidelines. We (my friend and I) have both spoken of our experiences to police, many child protection organizations, c.p.s, at our University, etc - no one has ever told us to be ashamed of ourselves.  That is because normal human beings don?t ?shame? youth for what they were coerced into doing by abusive, all-powerful authorities at age 13. No - That takes a ?programmed? person.

Please, keep up the bizarrely sadistic remarks and physical threats. Remember, outsiders and officials read this forum. People will see the sort of character and ?judgment making skills? possessed by pro-program grads and will assess their pro-program position accordingly. Your words condemn AARC better than I ever could.

Don?t cage and torture children and you won?t be confused with Nazis.
First off AARC does imprison children. Are you saying it doesn?t? Or are you just avoiding answering that question by saying ? you PERSONALLY were 21. I think that?s it, since its not just repulsed program survivors that describe imprisonment. The AARC lists imprisonment as it?s official policy.

Here?s the AARC describing itself to the ?secure working group? (This group was founded by the ARRC to open the VARC. They lobbied for a law which would allow parents who felt their kids were involved with drugs to imprison the kids for 90 days)

.?the Secure Working Group notes the involuntary nature of the AARC program?
?85% of the kids are there involuntarily?
http://ir.lib.sfu.ca/retrieve/2472/etd2076.pdf

It is common knowledge the AARC imprisons kids. This practice (lockdown) is relayed as fact among official government drug treatment overview services like ADDAC. You can call & find out for yourself! (quickly! call them and tell them to stop giving out company secrets!.)

The imprisoning of children is also relayed to reporters to promote the opening of the VARC . Here the AARC describes how unfortunate it is they can?t imprison kids in Vancouver like they can in Alberta?

?A group made up of local business executives, social workers and social activists is investigating opening a similar centre to AARC in Vancouver. In Alberta, under the longstanding Child Welfare Act, parents have always been allowed to detain children up to the age of 16 for treatment.?
(program kid) ?Almost immediately they took me in. I had no choice. My parents signed me over and I was stuck there."
(Father whose child supposedly would not stay in school) ?We took him to AARC for an assessment and they just kept him. Basically, he never left until he graduated."
 ?As far as Vause is concerned, abstinence is vital to the future success of clients, even if that means keeping them against their will? http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:0Y ... =clnk&cd=1

And most touchingly, here is a proud graduate describing chasing after a kid who tried to escape
?I'm still quite impressed you ran into a random house just to lose me when you ran.?
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:qq ... =clnk&cd=1  (you can feel in her words the support she gave Mike as his peer-counselor /master)

So we can agree AARC keeps kids against their will right? And as deceptive as you are about imprisoning children, you are deceptive about torturing them (Incidentally, AARC is a direct descendent of Straight, which was hounded out of the U.S for child abuse and is now recognized as a cult). When prosecuters press charges against the AARC perhaps they can be referred to this thread to see for themselves how misrepresentative pro-program witnesses are. Perhaps they can speak to you directly? What did you say your name was? Surely you are not going to hide your name now, as you were willing to forgo anonymity when you met me on that street corner to beat me. Surely it is something you would be proud to share right?
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« Reply #85 on: June 03, 2006, 06:41:00 PM »
Here is the testimony of the kid who has not proven themselves to be violently out of control and deceptive.

????My name is Mylitta and I was in the Alberta Adolescent Recovery Centre (AARC) for a little over one year. My mother's aunt and uncle had put their child through Kids of North Jersey, and even though she was freed from "Kids" by the police her parents continued to support the program. When Miller Newton tried to bring his program to Canada they offered their help, and began holding "Rap's" in their basement, which were run by Dean Vause. This is where AARC began until they were given funding to buy a building in the industrial area of Calgary.

When I was 13 I smoked pot about 30 times (probably less) and took LSD about 10 times. I did this because I attended the high school with the highest drug population in Canada at the time and drugs were "normal" there. After using drugs for almost a year I became bored with them and I had negative effects from LSD, so I stopped entirely. When asked "why did your parents put you through AARC" I've come to understand that I was in AARC because of Munchausen by proxy (MBP), which is what my mother had.

My mother claims that the 9 months she spent in a psychiatric unit after slitting her wrists was the "happiest time" in her life. She claims to have been cured of schizophrenia while in there. I'm aware that she has a head injury from childhood which caused her brain damage, but not aware of any diagnosis she was given in the psychiatric unit. I do know that she moved to another country and changed her first and last name, and I believe that there is a possibility that she was under Witness Protection. After much time questioning her I've come to suspect that she'd slit her wrists while on LSD which was her "schizophrenia" and also why she focused so much on me having taken it.

When my father began seeing other women, the only thing that would bring him home was if my sister and I were very sick. So I spent most of my childhood in hospitals and she even pulled strings to make me the poster child (literally) for a disease. I was heavily medicated for reasons I don't understand and on a weekly basis I was coaxed into situations with doctors where she would tell me what my symptoms were and if I were "good" I would tell the doctors. I was even burnt and cut as a child to go to the emergency room. I was lead to believe that they were accidents. Even as a small toddler if I had a bad dream my mother would tell me it was a hallucination and drag me to a psychologist where she would tell them I had schizophrenia.

When I was 14 my father was spending the mortgage on prostitutes. My mother spent time with the aunt and uncle involved with AARC, and soon decided that she needed to send me there. Her and my father both spent time in Calgary attending meetings at AARC, which I was unaware of. When they returned they were increasingly crazy. It was summer time and I was spending a lot of time with my friends, hanging out at the beach, coffee shops, etc. I was not using drugs, being promiscuous, or doing anything "at risk". I was emotionally struggling, but that is a given considering my home situation. Once they began attending AARC they made a rule that I could only leave the house for 1 hour a day. They didn't chose a home with a bedroom for me, so my home was under the dining room table. After a week of only exiting the dining room table for an hour a day I began running away from home, often being dragged back (physically) by police or my parents. As a runaway I spent most of my time in friends homes, and met a woman who began fighting for legal custody of me, but unfortunately I spent a small time homeless because my parents were knocking on the doors of my friends homes and threatening their parents. During this summer my mother had me physically restrained and taken to a rehabilitation center in the states. I was soon released and social services (I learned years later) decided to watch me and arrest my mother if she continued with this.

Eventually, after my "normal" life was being torn to pieces, my parents told me that they'd found a foster program in Alberta that had space for me and that they would be willing to let me go if I chose to live with that foster family. I said yes, believing it was the only way to stop the fight with my family. Two days later they took me to the center where I'd supposedly meet my family, and I was in AARC.

Being this the most bizarre experience of my life it will be hard to keep the explanation of AARC short.

At the time the industrial garage AARC was in was mostly cement walls and floor, with some areas having painted gray walls and gray carpets. The only decorated part of the building was the front portion where staff had their offices and curious parents learned about AARC. Also everything beyond the front of the building was not heated during the winter and the air conditioning was turned up in the back during the summer. We weren't allowed to wear our coats in Rap's and only allowed one sweatshirt or sweater and a few t-shirts, so I was always freezing and had cold sweats. The blinds were shut so that we didn't get any sunlight, and we were not allowed any outside stimulation such as newspapers or any literature for that matter that was not AA literature, or any contact with people not directly involved with AARC. When I left AARC I was unaware of major events such as the Oklahoma bombing.

Many of my civil rights were violated. I wasn't given the right to partake in ceremonies of my own religion and I was even forbidden to speak of my religious beliefs because they differed from AARC's. Mail that friends sent to my mother she'd hand over to AARC and they would open them and read them, but not tell me about them. I found out as an Oldtimer. I had no way of contacting anyone for help because I wasn't allowed to use a phone, have computer access, or write letters. The only time I was allowed to speak to my parents was with Oldcomers and staff monitoring me.

AARC staff told us that legally they could keep us until we were 16 and could sign ourselves out. Anyone who attempted to leave while under the age of sixteen was physically restrained by staff and oldcomers, including being sat on for long periods of time. I've heard that they now say the same for anyone under the age of 18.

The process of rap's was traumatizing. Clients had to tell "incidents" during every rap, so I don't know what was made up for the sake of an incident, or what was real, but I heard awful stories of incest, sexual abuse, rape, physical abuse, things that at that young age (15) I was unaware of and did not need to be forced to hear extreme details of every day for hours at a time for one year. "Girls Rap" was intended for purely sexual discussion. It was usually run by a man and it was held in a room built with a viewing room behind a one way mirror, which continues to disgust me. I remember Girls Rap's where girls told stories of being raped, and instead of being counseled to understand that it was not their fault, they were told them that their "disease" lead them to it. That they attended a high school party in search of alcohol so therefore they set themselves up for this to happen to them. There were child prostitutes (as young as 13) who had been court ordered into AARC and even though these girls were recruited by gangs, drugged and raped, they were still taught that they became prostitutes to support their addiction. Anyone who had homosexual thoughts was told that it was because of their "disease".

All of us spent time undergoing "blast raps" or being the "target" of regular raps, which involved everyone (staff and clients) calling you names, telling you that you're a worthless druggie, for hours and hours at a time, and the only way to make it end is to agree with them which is called "accepting powerlessness". If you didn't accept powerlessness for a long period of time you were put on "The Zero Club" which meant that an Oldcomer was assigned to control even your basic functions, meaning that you had to ask permission for each spoonful of food you were given and the Oldcomer was allowed to deny you. You had to ask for one square of toilet paper at a time, and again the Oldcomer could deny you.

Undergoing this caused me to start having altered states. I had to have a private place to go to where they could not reach, and I had to have a personality that was acceptable to them. I bounced in between these at all times and by the end of AARC I could not control bouncing in between the real me as a 15 year old, and the AARC me. When I "graduated" I behaved in a perfectly acceptable way to AARC people, but to the rest of the world I was totally out of place, which the more I tried to merge into the real world the more obvious this became.

I wasn't eating enough to sustain a healthy weight during my first half of AARC and therefore was in pain all over. Normally clients were taken to a doctor who was a friend of Dean Vause's, when they first enter AARC. Their visit was supervised by staff and the purpose was to check for STD's, lice and scabies. I wasn't given this doctors appointment, probably because my poor health was too risky. When I became an Oldcomer and had a Host Home my mothers MPB became beneficial. She found that I had a cyst forming from spinal tissue, which needed to be operated on. I was operated on and quickly escorted back to AARC where home nurses visited me 3 times daily to care for the open wound, which soon became infected. A "Clinical" once told me that the home nurse had told her that I was making it all up and didn't need any help, therefore she was no longer letting the nurses in. Meanwhile I could barely walk and had a two inch long open wound and infection in my spinal tissue. My mother found out about this and quickly had the situation changed long enough for me to heal up.

Immediately after AARC I found a wonderful therapist who helped me start to recover from AARC. She reminded me that I could have my own opinions and that all of the things done to me and the other kids were not for a good reason. It was still a few years before I cut contact with AARC because I continued to bounce between the real me and the AARC me, and I was afraid that maybe outsiders really were evil, and maybe I really would be "dead insane or in jail" (as we were told) if I separated from AARC. I also continued to support my mom and her MBP until I turned 18, at which point I felt free legally that I couldn't be dragged into a rehab, hospital, or a cult. I moved away and limited contact with my immediate family.

The most surprising things to have learned about AARC once out were first of all that the rule of turning 16 and signing out was false and that AARC at the time did not have the legal right to keep me or restrain us, which means that I was actually kidnapped and illegally held. Also We had called Dean Vause "Dr. Vause" because he claimed to have been a psychologist to us, while professionally to the outside world he referred to himself as "clinical director". I was shocked to find that he is not a psychologist and had undergone his training at Kids of North Jersey. Also I began reading about cults and cult recovery, and it feels to me that AARC's program is so alike all descriptions of what makes a cult, that it's possible they designed the program around cult structure. I could not believe that these books about cults worded exactly what I went through.

At 20 I had gotten my dream apartment and had married my husband who helped me put things into perspective. I'd still say some AARC things or refer to myself as "sick" in the way that both AARC and my mother would, and he'd ask me why on earth I thought those things. I realized that I was not ill throughout my life mentally or physically. At 22 I'd moved even further from my family and researched my mothers history where I was able to fill in some blanks. I felt safer to have a clearer understanding of my life. Around that time the MBP became clear. Living in fear of AARC, or "deadinsaneorinjail", seeing myself as a bad or dangerous person was gone. I was able to be a woman with her own life, her own values, and no more bouncing in between who I was and who I was told to be. I'm now 25 and lead a full life, although it has been much harder to get here then it is for most people. When I listen to my friends talking about their lives I am always amazed at how different our stories are. I am often jealous of students who were able to stay with their parents while attending school or who have a safety net if they can't make their rent one month. I've had to do everything while working overtime, and I've never had that safety net to fall back on (until in laws came along). At 19 I was exhausted all the time, working around the clock to make it, knowing that if one little thing went wrong, like if I got a sick and had to take a week off, I might not be able to pay my bills and I'd be on the streets.

I saw my family recently. My mother is now unable to care for herself, I don't know exactly what the reasoning is. She is starving herself and so underweight that she could probably die any second. I don't think she is doing it for the sake of vanity, I think that now that she doesn't have someone to make sick, she has to do it herself. She typically sees a doctor once a day five times a week, and again I don't know why.

From what I hear about AARC these days they have dressed the building up and worsened the situation for it's clients. I don't believe that there is any way to improve AARC. The amount of violence engraved in the staff members is too powerful to cure. I'd tell you that the only people who should end up in this place are the worst of criminals or rapists, but I remember a situation where a boy had raped one of the girls in AARC (before either of them were in AARC), and he did not have to "make amends" to her, meanwhile she was being taught she was the problem. In fact the boy was made a staff member after graduating. I feel that there are probably many kids out there who were abused enough in AARC to press criminal charges, but they are either too afraid or too confused about what happened to talk about it. Most of the victims I speak to are working so hard to change their lives and get away from anything involved with AARC that they simply say "I just can't deal with it right now."

I will always live with the knowledge that I lost one year of my youth during one of our most developmental years. When freed from AARC I heard about a local man I'd known who was arrested for sexually assaulting his 2 daughters (both under the age of 12). He spent only 3 months in prison where he was allowed all civil rights, time to himself, outside contact. Meanwhile everything had been taken from me and I wasn't even allowed to speak about the people I'd loved before AARC. ????
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« Reply #86 on: June 03, 2006, 09:57:00 PM »
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So we can agree AARC keeps kids against their will right? And as deceptive as you are about imprisoning children, you are deceptive about torturing them (Incidentally, AARC is a direct descendent of Straight, which was hounded out of the U.S for child abuse and is now recognized as a cult). When prosecuters press charges against the AARC perhaps they can be referred to this thread to see for themselves how misrepresentative pro-program witnesses are. Perhaps they can speak to you directly? What did you say your name was? Surely you are not going to hide your name now, as you were willing to forgo anonymity when you met me on that street corner to beat me. Surely it is something you would be proud to share right?

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"And if you care to call me a Nazi let me know where and when and I would be happy to discuss it with you face to face you gutless coward."

My exact words - DISCUSS. I have not hurt anyone since before Iwent into AARC. You are delusional. By your thinking any parent who sends their child to summer camp, to school, to boarding school, to stay with relatives is a fascist. And it is likely they are being tortured. Out of AARC's 300 + Graduate families, as well as an unknown # ofpeople who did not stay to complete treatment, not one has laid charges or started a lawsuit. Even unhappy AARC assosciated people rarely come here to say their piece. In 14 years I would say that is remarkable with all those poor victims free now.

As to who I am, my name is David Grant. I am 36. Have 2 healthy wonderful kids, a good job and I regularly volunteer and mentor kids. Your turn anonymous mud slinger. I would be happy to speak to any law enforcement representative. Considering the the Calgary Chief of Police was at AARC's big fundraiser along with the Alberta Justice Minister, I am less than concerned about a subpoena arriving at my door. I also spoke with an AARC graduate parent who is a retired Crown Prosecuter - I am sure he would send his regards. Get a clue.
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« Reply #87 on: June 03, 2006, 10:59:00 PM »
To the young lady imprisoned in ARC:  bless you my child.  You are an amazing young lady to have survived so much with your humanity intact.  It is truly humbling to see what you have been through and how much insight you have.  My sincere wishes for a very happy life; you certainly have earned it! :nworthy:
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« Reply #88 on: June 04, 2006, 09:06:00 PM »
### If you care to call me nazi let me know where and when and I would be happy to discuss it with you face to face you gutless coward####

haha. Funny, if that kid had gone to meet you and gotten bruised up, he  wouldnt even be able to press charges. Legally, he'd be considrered to have  consented to fight. and therefore not  due damages

Thats because after  intense arguments on the internet where one man demands the other "gutless coward" "LET THEM KNOW WHERE AND WHEN" to meet PHYSICALLY  if he wants to continue speaking, it sure looks like an invitation to fight.. and it usually IS.  If you want to claim to be the 1 exception to the rule-have fun.

But it looks like your trying to weasel out of something you said. I guess you're sorry you gave the wrong impresion huh?

By the way, if an organization wants to claim it doesnt imprison kids it probably shouldnt publish info about how it imprisons kids. I am so sorry about what happens to the children in it's clutches
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« Reply #89 on: June 05, 2006, 03:16:00 PM »
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"### If you care to call me nazi let me know where and when and I would be happy to discuss it with you face to face you gutless coward####



haha. Funny, if that kid had gone to meet you and gotten bruised up, he  wouldnt even be able to press charges. Legally, he'd be considrered to have  consented to fight. and therefore not  due damages



Thats because after  intense arguments on the internet where one man demands the other "gutless coward" "LET THEM KNOW WHERE AND WHEN" to meet PHYSICALLY  if he wants to continue speaking, it sure looks like an invitation to fight.. and it usually IS.  If you want to claim to be the 1 exception to the rule-have fun.



But it looks like your trying to weasel out of something you said. I guess you're sorry you gave the wrong impresion huh?



By the way, if an organization wants to claim it doesnt imprison kids it probably shouldnt publish info about how it imprisons kids. I am so sorry about what happens to the children in it's clutches"


I have only ever DISCUSSED anything regarding AARC or any other issue in my life since I got sober. I have never threatened anyone. However, if someone wants to take a poke at me - physically or verbally, I am more than able to defend myself. I stand by what I said - the anonymous weasel who throws mud is the only one here (besides you) that is hiding, ducking and making assumptions.
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