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« Reply #90 on: June 06, 2006, 12:53:00 AM »
Hey, I'm up for kicking some ass.


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« Reply #91 on: January 05, 2008, 06:42:47 AM »
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Please do not make reference to concentration camps in Poland when ragging on AARC - it is offensive to those of us who lost family to the Nazis.


I lost family in AARC
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« Reply #92 on: January 05, 2008, 12:52:29 PM »
This is one of the best threads in AARC survivor.  Joel Mader, who appeared recently looking like he was in the middle of a seven day meth binge, sounds off three years ago.  If you ain't staff asshole, why are you still hanging around AARC?  It also has a number of self-righteous, whining prevarications by famous criminal mastermind, former AARC-staffer and step-son of AARC founder Dr. Dookie, Pablo Escobaro-Grant.  
Good to see Joel carrying on the tradition of deranged scum-bags hanging onto AARC for dear life while denying their connection.  High-fives to David, Josh et al.
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« Reply #93 on: January 11, 2008, 02:54:51 AM »
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Considering the the Calgary Chief of Police was at AARC's big fundraiser along with the Alberta Justice Minister, I am less than concerned about a subpoena arriving at my door. I also spoke with an AARC graduate parent who is a retired Crown Prosecuter - I am sure he would send his regards. Get a clue.


That gives you some kind of immunity to do whatever you like?

You all keep counting on the name dropping to keep you in business.

Remember Straight had strong backers too, didn't stop the abuse from coming to light and the program being CLOSED.

And regarding AARC's "big fundraisers" what exactly do they DO with all that money considering the amount parents pay?
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« Reply #94 on: January 11, 2008, 03:08:09 AM »
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Is it Ok to relapse? If you have clicked this message your probably getting high this very second or twitching out because you can't.  CONGRATULATIONS YOU HAVE RELAPSED!  

What is replase you say?
 
Good question, well apart from being a very positive event. It means being once sober and having a possible chance to live a good life, instead you decide to once again consume mood or mind altering substances. Apparently this is the best thing that has ever happened to these people.


This is coming from Joel Mader, AARC "counsolor" almost 3 years ago.

The same person to write in this forum that he is not even a counsellor, but an abused client, who is forced to do things against his will.

http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=24460 (See posts #6-9)

IF Joel was any kind of properly trained addictions counselor he would KNOW that relapse is an expected and normal part of the recovery process. And, if Joel were any kind of professional dealing with adolescents he would have a higher level of maturity and personal integrity than to go into a public forum and randomly post the comments that he did.

The public displays of immaturity and lack of professionalism speaks volumes to the quality of treatment provided by AARC staff.

But that's ok, you have former police chiefs, former prosecutors/program parents, and a Minister of Justice convinced, so carry on.
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« Reply #95 on: February 14, 2009, 11:45:30 PM »
"This is one of the best threads in AARC survivor. Joel Mader, who appeared recently looking like he was in the middle of a seven day meth binge, sounds off three years ago. If you ain't staff asshole, why are you still hanging around AARC? It also has a number of self-righteous, whining prevarications by famous criminal mastermind, former AARC-staffer and step-son of AARC founder Dr. Dookie, Pablo Escobaro-Grant.
Good to see Joel carrying on the tradition of deranged scum-bags hanging onto AARC for dear life while denying their connection. High-fives to David, Josh et al."

I find you a laughable person this could be due to the fact that you are responding to a post that I made when I was 16 years old. I also find it very funny that for a guy that is trying to "get the facts strait about AARC" that you would also be intelligent to understand how AARC works before you make assumptions such as "if you ain't staff asshole, are you still hanging around AARC". Well this is simple friend. I have friends that work there. Have you ever gone to a friend's area of work? As for the fact of me being a "deranged scum-bag" I guess you may have your opinions of your self but keep in mind you where responding to a comment that was stated when i was six teen and I assume that you are at least in your 20's so you may be the true "deranged scum-bag". Any way i hope to see all your wonderful posts another three years from now and enjoy a good laugh due to comments. Take care guys

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« Reply #96 on: February 15, 2009, 11:42:28 AM »
If you were 16 Joel and unaccountable for your actions, why on God's green earth would you be put in control of the worst of the worst drug addicted teenagers?

And, I find it completely unprofessional for counselors of a confidential teen drug rehab to have their "friends" hanging around.

All of you who go through AARC and never leave truly are a segregated part of society. There are many of you, but you are still a segregated part of society.
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« Reply #97 on: March 03, 2009, 03:44:26 AM »
You can debate it in any way that you see fit about the 16 year old comment. But the this small "society" that you speak of doesn't really make any sense to me. I don't even live in calgary and have many friends that have no relation to AARC. All i can say is that AARC helped me and again you can look at it any way that you want but it did. I have had time away and considered that question but to be honest i have never seen any prof that it didn't. I feel for others that may feel differently but i can not debate there remarks nor there feelings. All i can speak from is my own experience. Take it or leave it.
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« Reply #98 on: March 03, 2009, 12:22:24 PM »
You AARColytes always have a hard time separating your sentiments from verifiable facts.  In one breath you say that one can "look at it any way you want", while stating emphatically that your sentiment is an unassailable truth.  The issue at hand is not whether or not you believe that you were helped.  You, and any AARColytes are entitled to your beliefs, and if you can find someone to listen to you, you're entitled to expound on them.  The problem is that you insist that your beliefs must be accepted by others, who must then give money and more believers to your organization.
In order to accomplish these two goals, AARC has undertaken to disseminate a body of lies.  That is not an opinion, it is a fact.
The principle lies are that the program is a new creation, that it is clinically proven, and that it works.
It is indisputable that the entire AARC program was taken directly from Kids, which was taken from Straight, which was taken from the Seed.  To say otherwise is a lie, and AARC says otherwise.
It is also indisputable that the program is not clinically proven.  The Seed was judged to be providing experimental treatment, and was obligated to provide it's clients with forms consenting to human experimentation.  The Host Home model used in AARC came directly from the Seed.  It was determined thirty-five years ago that this ritual was dangerous, and the Seed was unable to comply with legislation drafted to ensure the safety of clients in Host Homes.
There is no evidence that the methods used at AARC work to accomplish the goal of rehabillitating those who are chemically dependent.   The only evidence offered by AARC is testimonials from individuals, and their study which showed that most clients in the study group resumed drug and alcohol consumption after treatment in AARC.
The confrontation/attack therapy that constitutes AARC "treatment" was taken from Synanon.  It was dreamed up by Chuck Dederich, a stand-up comedian.  Art Barker, founder of the Seed, was also a former stand-up comedian.  Dederich admitted late in life that he had no idea how to cure a dope fiend.  But AARC continues to use his raps as part of their program of psychic surgery.  
There is no scientific basis for AARC's treatment.  It is merely the fourth or fifth generation of a set of rituals devised by a pair of comedians.
AARColytes can take the route chosen by Seedlings after the US Congress ruled against using the very same methods used in AARC: take in consenting adults, and leave the kids alone.  
AARC was never intended to help kids.  It is exists to provide a socio-religious community for parents who can't handle their offspring.   Nothing bears this out better than the case of Andrew Mazur.  Mazur's father put him in AARC to save him from addiction.  Mazur ended up dying in Remand after taking cocaine and either heroin or morphine.  AARC's role in the Mazur's family was to save Mazur and he ended up dead.  Yet his father continues to praise AARC.  AARC gave Mazur Senior what he needed, and his son ended up dead.
The operation was a success, but the patient died.
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Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
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Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992

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« Reply #99 on: March 04, 2009, 01:36:04 PM »
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« Reply #100 on: March 04, 2009, 02:15:27 PM »
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You AARColytes always have a hard time separating your sentiments from verifiable facts.  In one breath you say that one can "look at it any way you want", while stating emphatically that your sentiment is an unassailable truth.  The issue at hand is not whether or not you believe that you were helped.  You, and any AARColytes are entitled to your beliefs, and if you can find someone to listen to you, you're entitled to expound on them.  The problem is that you insist that your beliefs must be accepted by others, who must then give money and more believers to your organization.
In order to accomplish these two goals, AARC has undertaken to disseminate a body of lies.  That is not an opinion, it is a fact.
The principle lies are that the program is a new creation, that it is clinically proven, and that it works.
It is indisputable that the entire AARC program was taken directly from Kids, which was taken from Straight, which was taken from the Seed.  To say otherwise is a lie, and AARC says otherwise.
It is also indisputable that the program is not clinically proven.  The Seed was judged to be providing experimental treatment, and was obligated to provide it's clients with forms consenting to human experimentation.  The Host Home model used in AARC came directly from the Seed.  It was determined thirty-five years ago that this ritual was dangerous, and the Seed was unable to comply with legislation drafted to ensure the safety of clients in Host Homes.
There is no evidence that the methods used at AARC work to accomplish the goal of rehabillitating those who are chemically dependent.   The only evidence offered by AARC is testimonials from individuals, and their study which showed that most clients in the study group resumed drug and alcohol consumption after treatment in AARC.
The confrontation/attack therapy that constitutes AARC "treatment" was taken from Synanon. It was dreamed up by Chuck Dederich, a stand-up comedian.  Art Barker, founder of the Seed, was also a former stand-up comedian.  Dederich admitted late in life that he had no idea how to cure a dope fiend.  But AARC continues to use his raps as part of their program of psychic surgery.  
There is no scientific basis for AARC's treatment.  It is merely the fourth or fifth generation of a set of rituals devised by a pair of comedians.

AARColytes can take the route chosen by Seedlings after the US Congress ruled against using the very same methods used in AARC: take in consenting adults, and leave the kids alone.  
AARC was never intended to help kids.  It is exists to provide a socio-religious community for parents who can't handle their offspring.   Nothing bears this out better than the case of Andrew Mazur.  Mazur's father put him in AARC to save him from addiction.  Mazur ended up dying in Remand after taking cocaine and either heroin or morphine.  AARC's role in the Mazur's family was to save Mazur and he ended up dead.  Yet his father continues to praise AARC.  AARC gave Mazur Senior what he needed, and his son ended up dead.
The operation was a success, but the patient died.


It seems as if the sickest joke those ex-comedians told was about all  of us, (the ones from the Synanon,Seed,Straight,Safe,Kids,Pathway.........family fucking tree!). The joke must have went something like this:
"What do you call a bunch of white middle class children locked up all day, with a token child of color sprinkled here and there?"....and then, the other one says..."Gee, I dunno. What do you call a bunch of white middle class children locked up all day with a token child of color sprinkled here and there?.....and then the first one says: "Fucked"!.... and then they both burst out in obnoxious laughter.

Yeah, not so funny, you fuckers you!

-DP
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« Reply #101 on: March 05, 2009, 01:19:51 AM »
Look at this guy, I don't know what your debating about or what type of valid information you are contributing to this cause but for the most part it looks like you are taking it away from it. Maybe if you put some intelligent thoughts together before you write something. Your concerns might be taken more seriously. Posting FUCK for example removes any form of credibility. maybe you should go back to school and learn how to debate an issue possibly. For the most part AJAX your posts are a waste of time not only for AARC's but the people you are trying to side with. Grow up.
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« Reply #102 on: March 05, 2009, 01:21:37 AM »
Sorry Ajax i meant Deprogrammed
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« Reply #103 on: March 05, 2009, 06:24:58 PM »
"You AARColytes always have a hard time separating your sentiments from verifiable facts. In one breath you say that one can "look at it any way you want", while stating emphatically that your sentiment is an unassailable truth. The issue at hand is not whether or not you believe that you were helped. You, and any AARColytes are entitled to your beliefs, and if you can find someone to listen to you, you're entitled to expound on them. The problem is that you insist that your beliefs must be accepted by others, who must then give money and more believers to your organization.
In order to accomplish these two goals, AARC has undertaken to disseminate a body of lies. That is not an opinion, it is a fact.
The principle lies are that the program is a new creation, that it is clinically proven, and that it works.
It is indisputable that the entire AARC program was taken directly from Kids, which was taken from Straight, which was taken from the Seed. To say otherwise is a lie, and AARC says otherwise.
It is also indisputable that the program is not clinically proven. The Seed was judged to be providing experimental treatment, and was obligated to provide it's clients with forms consenting to human experimentation. The Host Home model used in AARC came directly from the Seed. It was determined thirty-five years ago that this ritual was dangerous, and the Seed was unable to comply with legislation drafted to ensure the safety of clients in Host Homes.
There is no evidence that the methods used at AARC work to accomplish the goal of rehabillitating those who are chemically dependent. The only evidence offered by AARC is testimonials from individuals, and their study which showed that most clients in the study group resumed drug and alcohol consumption after treatment in AARC.
"The confrontation/attack therapy that constitutes AARC "treatment" was taken from Synanon. It was dreamed up by Chuck Dederich, a stand-up comedian. Art Barker, founder of the Seed, was also a former stand-up comedian. Dederich admitted late in life that he had no idea how to cure a dope fiend. But AARC continues to use his raps as part of their program of psychic surgery.
There is no scientific basis for AARC's treatment. It is merely the fourth or fifth generation of a set of rituals devised by a pair of comedians.
AARColytes can take the route chosen by Seedlings after the US Congress ruled against using the very same methods used in AARC: take in consenting adults, and leave the kids alone.
AARC was never intended to help kids. It is exists to provide a socio-religious community for parents who can't handle their offspring. Nothing bears this out better than the case of Andrew Mazur. Mazur's father put him in AARC to save him from addiction. Mazur ended up dying in Remand after taking cocaine and either heroin or morphine. AARC's role in the Mazur's family was to save Mazur and he ended up dead. Yet his father continues to praise AARC. AARC gave Mazur Senior what he needed, and his son ended up dead.
The operation was a success, but the patient died."

By the way, guest, I can't speak for Deprogrammed, but but all means I encourage you to go fuck yourself.
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MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
assistance in developing the program of the Alberta Adolescent
Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992

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« Reply #104 on: March 05, 2009, 07:55:10 PM »
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"You AARColytes always have a hard time separating your sentiments from verifiable facts. In one breath you say that one can "look at it any way you want", while stating emphatically that your sentiment is an unassailable truth. The issue at hand is not whether or not you believe that you were helped. You, and any AARColytes are entitled to your beliefs, and if you can find someone to listen to you, you're entitled to expound on them. The problem is that you insist that your beliefs must be accepted by others, who must then give money and more believers to your organization.
In order to accomplish these two goals, AARC has undertaken to disseminate a body of lies. That is not an opinion, it is a fact.
The principle lies are that the program is a new creation, that it is clinically proven, and that it works.
It is indisputable that the entire AARC program was taken directly from Kids, which was taken from Straight, which was taken from the Seed. To say otherwise is a lie, and AARC says otherwise.
It is also indisputable that the program is not clinically proven. The Seed was judged to be providing experimental treatment, and was obligated to provide it's clients with forms consenting to human experimentation. The Host Home model used in AARC came directly from the Seed. It was determined thirty-five years ago that this ritual was dangerous, and the Seed was unable to comply with legislation drafted to ensure the safety of clients in Host Homes.
There is no evidence that the methods used at AARC work to accomplish the goal of rehabillitating those who are chemically dependent. The only evidence offered by AARC is testimonials from individuals, and their study which showed that most clients in the study group resumed drug and alcohol consumption after treatment in AARC.
"The confrontation/attack therapy that constitutes AARC "treatment" was taken from Synanon. It was dreamed up by Chuck Dederich, a stand-up comedian. Art Barker, founder of the Seed, was also a former stand-up comedian. Dederich admitted late in life that he had no idea how to cure a dope fiend. But AARC continues to use his raps as part of their program of psychic surgery.
There is no scientific basis for AARC's treatment. It is merely the fourth or fifth generation of a set of rituals devised by a pair of comedians.
AARColytes can take the route chosen by Seedlings after the US Congress ruled against using the very same methods used in AARC: take in consenting adults, and leave the kids alone.
AARC was never intended to help kids. It is exists to provide a socio-religious community for parents who can't handle their offspring. Nothing bears this out better than the case of Andrew Mazur. Mazur's father put him in AARC to save him from addiction. Mazur ended up dying in Remand after taking cocaine and either heroin or morphine. AARC's role in the Mazur's family was to save Mazur and he ended up dead. Yet his father continues to praise AARC. AARC gave Mazur Senior what he needed, and his son ended up dead.
The operation was a success, but the patient died."

By the way, guest, I can't speak for Deprogrammed, but but all means I encourage you to go fuck yourself.

and some of the staff are nice and others are mean, who gives a crap.  Bottomline is they are 84% successful which means there are much more of them then there are of you, try to get over it and move on.  Try AA or something, but dont sit around bitching about other people and what they do or dont do.
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