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« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2005, 01:32:00 PM »
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On 2005-02-01 00:18:00, Perrigaud wrote:

"Niles,

  Out of curiosity what is your take on me? "


You didn't ask my take, but I'll give it.

I think you're a smart and strong young lady, a survivor, and I think that as you get older you're going to do a very good job of drawing from your own program experience, and from what you've seen happen in other programs (good and bad) to become a very good advocate of safe, sane, ethical and effective treatment for kids who (for whatever reasons) are having a difficult time navigating through adolescence.

I think you're a compassionate young lady, and I'm going to be interested to see what you ultimately do with your many talents.

Timoclea

It (the Bible) is full of interest. It has noble poetry in it; and some clever fables; and some blood-drenched history; and some good morals; and a wealth of obscenity; and upwards of a thousand lies.
--Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain", American author and humorist

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« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2005, 02:00:00 PM »
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« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2005, 03:43:00 AM »
Thanks! :grin: Sorry Niles. I forgot my phone at my friends. I don't know the number by heart but Ill be calling tomorrow. I'll call you soon. Thanks Timoclea. Time will tell. Oh, and I am working on completing my education to be a juvinile diversion coordinator.
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« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2005, 05:56:00 AM »
Niles,

How exciting! You have become a pudit! I have to put in my two cents and say you are a very kind person to those who are seeking kindness, to those who aren't......... Ayway, I will be glad to tell anyone our "program" experience, it is not nearly as bad as some poor souls have had to endure, but it was a very traumatic experience for us all. My daughter was just accepted into a very prestigous college prep boarding school!!!! She is very excited, and will start today. She will have the opportunity to take all the college courses she would like, and plans on attending school this summer so that she may be a senior next year instead of a junior. Everyone please keep her in your thoughts that she may continue to keep her head on straight. I aprreciate everyone who has been here for us, you guys have been great! Perri, I would like to say that you are a sweet and considerate person not because of the program, but in spite of the program. I think you will use your experience to better the lives of others. You have a bright future, please take full advantage of it! To the person whose neighbor has a child in the program, please get him some REAL information. He will not get it from the "school." A lot of people that work at these places are not monsters, so it is very hard to find out what really goes on in them. Tell him to do his homework, I did.
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« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2005, 01:34:00 PM »
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« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2005, 04:16:00 PM »
I'm crazy? Why not back it up with some facts?  :grin:

If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace.
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« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2005, 09:04:00 AM »
Besides whose to say what crazy really is? One could argue that anyone is crazy.
Thanks chi3.
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« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2005, 09:13:00 AM »
Chi3---I'm so glad for your daughter.  It sounds like she will do very well.  Best wishes for your family in future.

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« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2005, 09:20:00 AM »
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On 2005-02-02 10:34:00, Anonymous wrote:

"crazy"


Once upon a time, there was a man who got himself a flat tire right outside the state mental hospital.

As he got out to change the flat, he was made uncomfortable by noticing that one of the patients was standing just inside the fence, arms rested on the back of the fence, watching him.

Well, he got the jack and his spare and proceeded to change his tire.  He had the new tire in place and was ready to screw on the lug nuts when he noticed that they'd rolled away.  To his dismay, he noticed the storm drain.  Worried, he asked the patient, still watching him, "Did my lug nuts roll down there?"

"Yep."

"Oh my god.  I'm stranded."  He checks his phone, but he can't get a signal.  "No signal.  What the hell am I gonna do?  I'm stranded."

After about five minutes of watching, the patient says, "Why don't you take one lug nut off of each of the other three wheels, put them on the spare, and go slow until you get to the service station?"

The man looks up, like a light's gone on behind his eyes, and does it, and then before he leaves, he's just gotta ask, "You...you...Why are you in there?"

"I'm crazy, not stupid."

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« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2005, 05:14:00 PM »
So now I've got a few nuts loose or something?  :eek:

To err is human; to forgive is simply not our policy.

 

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« Reply #25 on: February 06, 2005, 03:52:00 AM »
Crazy? No. A bit eccentric? A little. Intellingence always seems to come with a splash of craziness (or what others view as crazy).
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« Reply #26 on: February 06, 2005, 12:31:00 PM »
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On 2005-02-04 14:14:00, Nihilanthic wrote:

"So now I've got a few nuts loose or something?  :eek:

To err is human; to forgive is simply not our policy.

 

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No, Niles, *I'm* crazy.  I have bipolar disorder (type II).  It's one of the major mental illnesses.  I'm one of the "maniacs" your mother warned you about.

I commented on it because I am, understandably, rather sensitive about the garden-variety perception of "nuts."  Especially since, being extremely high function (which you could maybe sympathize with being high function with aspergers), I find that on my medication I'm often the sanest person in the room.  It's incongruous, and it's an odd experience, but, well, there it is.  I respond really well to medication, so I get good results.

But the other really odd experience to come to terms with is that people who are either mentally ill or eccentric and not treated or not responding well to treatment---people who are walking around actively nuts---well, I can perceive the same problems with their altered perceptions of reality and the results of same as anybody else could.

So while I will talk about someone disconnected from reality the same way anyone else does, "He's fookin' nuts!"  At the same time I'm sensitive to, "He's crazy," used as an insult. Because a lot of times people say "crazy" when they mean "stupid."

In other words, the allegation pushed *my* buttons, for obvious reasons.

One of the unpleasant things you (generic "you") have to deal with a lot when you're "crazy"--you have a mental illness---but also "sane"---you're on meds and high function---is people who are functionally crazier than you are in their day to day life trying to be paternalistic and assert that *their* (crazy) rules should control *your* life.

Dealing with that over and over again makes me a bit hypersensative on the subject.

The programs are a special case of that, since a lot of the mentally ill kids that get stuck in programs would be saner than their parents and a lot of the other people around them if they were just stabilized on the right (for them and their individual biochemistry) meds, and often sticking them in programs actively prevents them getting good care from a competent psychiatrist that could/would get them stabilized on the right meds.  I can really identify with such kids and it evokes a "there but for the grace of God go I" reaction.

There are a lot of people here to advocate for the kids who don't need to be on *any* medication to keep them from being given potentially dangerous psychotropic drugs against their will and against their medical best interests.

But who's here to advocate for the "nuts" kids who *need* medication---and need it under the care of a *competent* pediatric psychiatrist to make sure it's the *right* medication(s) in the right doses for that kid and gets properly adjusted as needed (and in adolescence, adjustments *will* be needed)?

Who's here to advocate for those kids who don't need a Program, they just need (and *really* need) the right meds?

Pretty much nobody but me, that's who.

So my relaying that joke was *not* my way of saying "you're crazy, Niles."  It was my way of saying, "Yeah, *I'm* crazy.  You wanna make something of it, buddy?  *Smile* when you say that, pardner." [insert best scary manic grin here]

Capiche?

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« Reply #27 on: February 06, 2005, 02:27:00 PM »
Just fyi, aspergers only made it hard for me to socially interact. non-literal speech and emotioanl interpretation, and properly SENDING the right signals was a problem.

When I was 19 and they finally found out that was the prob and I got some speech therapy, I turned out just fine.

Also, the few nuts loose comment was a joke, because of the story about lugnuts. I didnt mean to irritate you.

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« Reply #28 on: February 06, 2005, 03:41:00 PM »
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On 2005-02-06 11:27:00, Nihilanthic wrote:


Also, the few nuts loose comment was a joke, because of the story about lugnuts. I didnt mean to irritate you.


I thought that was funny as hell! And I think you've got the nonliteral speech thing down pretty good.

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« Reply #29 on: March 03, 2005, 05:36:00 PM »
I asked a psycotherapist friend of mine to do some psycoanalysis on this Niles person. She said Niles is acting out anger from his past that he has not been able to let go of.He is angry that he never went to a progam to get the help he needed, thus resulting in the person he is today. He does not want others to get help becuse he feels it is not right if they get help because he never got help. Misery loves company.She said it is time for Niles to let go and redirect his anger to helping instead of his current path. That was her psycoanalysis of Niles.
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