G.T. Now

[Cayo Hueso]

I could really give a shit if you believe what we're saying or not.  YOU asked for comments.  I started this out withOUT the verbal venom but YOU became so moronic to deal with that you brought out the best/worst in me.

You're gonna have some 'splainin' to do to your daughter in the years to come.  Hope you remember these conversations.

Republican n. A liberty despising, money worshiping, control freak. Democrat n. A liberty despising, social engineering, control freak.
-- Anonymous

[Cayo Hueso]

On 2005-02-01 13:08:00, DC wrote:

"Cayo,

You missed the point, all you want to do is battle.  I feel for you, but you just seem so angry.  If you are so angry about things that I have said, then you must know that you have a problem which needs resolving and it IS NOT PRESENT DAY GT!"

Actually I'm not that pissed off.  The majority of my posts with the venom are "said" with a HUGE eye roll attached :rofl:

When a well-packaged web of lies
has been sold gradually to the masses
over generations, the truth will seem
utterly preposterous and its speaker
a raving lunatic.      

--Dresden James

[DC]

Cayo,
i am moronic because i do not share your opinion?  Good reason!  I would hate to be one of your beautiful children.
And don't worry about my daughter, she will be much better balanced then you would appear to be.

[DC]

Sara,
What am I clueless about?  I am a grown man with many years of recovery, good knowledge about addiction and experienced with one of your so-called cults.  Because I do not agree with you has nothing to do with me sticking my head in the sand.  When is the last time, how many years has it been since you were involved in your program?  How do you know that you are so right and I am so wrong?

[Cayo Hueso]

On 2005-02-01 13:14:00, DC wrote:

"Cayo,

i am moronic because i do not share your opinion?  Good reason!  I would hate to be one of your beautiful children.

And don't worry about my daughter, she will be much better balanced then you would appear to be."

No, you're moronic because you don't see anyting unusual about a kid pulling his hair out.  You're moronic because you take a completely closed mind to anything that contradicts your beloved program as evidenced by the fact that you didn't even BOTHER to look at any of the links people directed you too.

As for worrying about your daughter???  Can't help it, I'm an extremely compassionate person.

And suffering is not a badge of honor. Experiencing tyranny does not deserve a bow or a kiss. The honor is in removing the stumbling stone. The honor is in the impolite destruction of tyranny through honest, powerful dialogue - not etiquette. Not political correctness.

http://fornits.com/wwf/bb_profile.php?mode=view&user=1153' target='_new'>Maximus

[DC]

I have never seen any child pull their hair out at GT.  I do not know what you are talking about.  And yes, I did go to several websites that you all directed me to.  Did it make a difference?
And thank you, I sincerely appreciate your worry for my daughter.  Its a scary world, but right now she is safe!

[Helena Handbasket]

On 2005-02-01 13:04:00, DC wrote:

"Sara,

Your right and I'm wrong.  Are you happy now?  I am.  I did not start the name calling, it was Cayo, Greg and I think you stopped short of calling me an idiot, which I am not.  I know what you are saying about GT, but these things aren't done anymore.  I know plenty of staff and ex-staff on a personal basis.  You cannot hide these behaviors.  What happened to you and your friends, i am truly sorry for. These things you talk about were unjust.  Just because I do not share your opinions does not mean that I am not right.  "

Quite happy - but it's got nothing to do with you.
I have really happy days when I hear from a parent who investigated the facts they were given, and pulled their kid out of a gulag.

You started the insults long before Cayo and Greg showed up.

I posted this:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... rt=U#78657
A simple series of questions.

You responded with this:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... rt=U#78662
where you told me to take "the chip off my shoulder" and you said you were dealing with a spoiled self centered child who was never wrong.

What in that post led you to believe I am/was a spoiled child chip on my shoulder?

I can go back and list the posts for you and anyone who wants to read thru them, but you can just use the "sort up" feature, because contrary to your belief, I do have better things to do than backtrack and copy/paste.

But in your next post, you said my argument was ridiculous and bogus, and that I was a fraud.
And you never did expound on how any of that makes me a fraud, or how the service employed bathroom restrictions.

You keep saying we're wrong, but you haven't really spelled out where anything is different.  You also didn't respond to everything I said about YOUR life being ass-ended by GT.  Why not?

[Cayo Hueso]

On 2005-02-01 13:25:00, DC wrote:


And thank you, I sincerely appreciate your worry for my daughter.  Its a scary world, but right now she is safe!"

No, she's not.  She's being exposed to a thought control cult.  You don't seem to understand that it is the PROCESS of how they bring about change in these kids that is damaging right from the goddamn get-go.  But, you're head is still stuck in that sand so unfortunately for your daughter, you'll never see it because you've got your "fix" for her.  

"Primum non nocere"

The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good.  
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/188301123X/circlofmiamithem' target='_new'>George Washington

[Cayo Hueso]

On 2005-02-01 13:26:00, ~-=Sara=-~ wrote:


You started the insults long before Cayo and Greg showed up.



I posted this:

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... rt=U#78657

A simple series of questions.



You responded with this:

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... rt=U#78662

where you told me to take "the chip off my shoulder" and you said you were dealing with a spoiled self centered child who was never wrong.



What in that post led you to believe I am/was a spoiled child chip on my shoulder?



I can go back and list the posts for you and anyone who wants to read thru them, but you can just use the "sort up" feature, because contrary to your belief, I do have better things to do than backtrack and copy/paste.



But in your next post, you said my argument was ridiculous and bogus, and that I was a fraud.

And you never did expound on how any of that makes me a fraud, or how the service employed bathroom restrictions.



You keep saying we're wrong, but you haven't really spelled out where anything is different.  You also didn't respond to everything I said about YOUR life being ass-ended by GT.  Why not?
"

Thank you Sara!  It's really exhausting to try adn have a coherent conversation with someone while their head is so firmly implanted in the ground! :rofl:

Faith is a cop-out. It is intellectual bankruptcy. If the only way you can accept an assertion is by faith, then you are conceding that it can't be taken on its own merits.
--Dan Barker, author and former evangelist

[Helena Handbasket]

On 2005-02-01 13:17:00, DC wrote:

"Sara,

What am I clueless about?  I am a grown man with many years of recovery, good knowledge about addiction and experienced with one of your so-called cults.  Because I do not agree with you has nothing to do with me sticking my head in the sand.  

I think Cayo said that, not me.

When is the last time, how many years has it been since you were involved in your program?  How do you know that you are so right and I am so wrong?"

I was in LIFE 21 years ago.  I spent four months hiding behind my hair so I could just have some private space to cry...well, I tried to anyway.

 They would "stand me up", and demand to know my "drug list".  I would meekly say "I don't have one" - the crowd would roar. Arms would start flailing wildly with everyone vying to take their best shot at me.  They taunted, teased, actually TOLD me they "found a stash", and when I would go back to crying behind my hair, two girls on either side of me would lock arms with me, while a girl behind me would yank my hair out of my face, and pull it back so I had to look up, or lose clumps of hair.

All that for following the first and most important rule:  Honesty.

[DC]

I did not insult you, i merely stated the facts.  You are talking about situations that happened to you 20-30 years ago, I am talking about my experience which is right now.  You ahve no idea what you are talking about.  For every kid that ever had a bad experience with you I can show you a kid that will say it wasn't so bad.  So yes, you are a fraud and yes your argument is bogus, because your argument is ancient history.  And when I talked about name calling, well I didn't see anything like that in my previous posts.  I am not mean-spirited.  
Just because I was trying to tell you that they don't drink the kool-aid anymore, you guys attacked me.

[Cayo Hueso]

On 2005-02-01 09:48:00, DC wrote:

"I'm sorry Sara,

I do not buy the conspiracy theory.  There is just too much evidence to the contrary."

No conspiracy, just people accepting the status quo.  One of my favorite bumper sticker is "QUESTION AUTHORITY".

And the "evidence" you speak of is questionable, at BEST.  Most of it anecdotal.

I have always thought that all men should be free; but if any should be slaves, it should be first those who desire it for themselves, and secondly those who desire it for others.  Whenever I hear anyone arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally.

--Abraham Lincoln

[Cayo Hueso]

On 2005-02-01 13:40:00, DC wrote:

Just because I was trying to tell you that they don't drink the kool-aid anymore, you guys attacked me.  "

No, again it's your closed mindedness and refusal to even ENTERTAIN the idea that there MIGHT be something wrong with the PROCESS in which change is brought about.

A man is accepted into a church for what he believes and he is turned out for what he knows.
http://smack.accesscard.org/index/misc/atheist/' target='_new'>Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain", American author and humorist

[DC]

And I would suggest that if the evidence were red you woild swear it was green

[GregFL]

No, you became hostile and insulting almost immediately, and belittled everything said negative to your beloved TC.

Then when people responded, you attacked more. Then people started calling you an asshole and ostrich, rightly so.


What did you expect? Program type conversations don't buy you friends in the real world. Every day people engage in thoughtfull disagreements on fornits. It is people like you that come here and incite people and then scream victim that start flame wars.  

You are also factually way over your head. The people here know more about the subject matter than you could ever imagine.  Your only weapon is to try to belittle what people say, and frankly we have seen that game played out over and over and  your can't get it over on us.

The thread started out with two very concerned ex program people responding kindly to your query....you amped up the volume by getting insulting.

That is the facts...you are responsible soley for what happened and no one here feels sorry for you. If you don't want to here what he have to say, stick your finger in your ears and go away.  If you are interested, try a different approach because with this one you fell flat on your face.