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« Reply #105 on: June 17, 2005, 05:35:00 PM »
Kat, next thing you know MOTHER MARY will be inviting you to her house TOO.  LOL
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« Reply #106 on: June 17, 2005, 05:49:00 PM »
What a lovely idea of course kat i would invite you anytime.  mary
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« Reply #107 on: June 17, 2005, 06:09:00 PM »
MAMA MARY, I have never heard anyone ooz so much B>S> in my life.  Do you really think anyone believes you are for real.  You really sound very sinkening.
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« Reply #108 on: June 17, 2005, 06:32:00 PM »
I feel sorry for you gmom.  What makes one think caring about other people is BS, I can only imagine that you have been hurt very deeply in your life by someone close to you.  If you really care whether i am for real or not come and judge for your self you are welcome to call or visit anytime.  I dont take peoples opinions on this site personally, I understand they are driven by fear, hurt, and a host of other things.  The only thing i take personally is if someone directly hurts myself or my family by lying or using them in a way that could hurt others.  mary
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« Reply #109 on: June 17, 2005, 06:53:00 PM »
Mary, there is no reason to feel sorry for me.  You really don't know me.  Your arm-chair diagnosis is really not required.  I believe, if you really care for people, as you just stated, you would be able to see that there are others on the site that also care about people -- and their families just as you do.  The only difference is, they don't feel the necessity to convince anyone else of that fact.  

There are kids that were abused in many ways at the Whitmore, either by Cheryl or with her knowlede and approval.  You don't seem to give any validity at all to their feelings and their hurt and pain.  I don't see you even give that to your own son.  Do you really think the State of Utah, Juab County Attorney just decided, well, gee, a bunch of kids are complaining, I'll just file a few charges?  Do some research and find out what kind of evidence is necessary for those kinds of charges to be filed.  These are not just a few disqruntled people.  How can you say these things never happened?  You were not there.
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« Reply #110 on: June 17, 2005, 07:36:00 PM »
SO HOW IS ANNELIESE?  IS THAT MOUSE?

Posted: 2005-01-27 17:56:00  
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 I recently posted a part of my story about the Whitmore. I was just reading some of the past articles about the Whitmore and I cam across one about abuse. While I was at the Whitmore I had kissed one of the boys there and we had a marathon group about it. The group started at about 6:30 at night and did't end until about 3:00 in the morning. The next day we were made to get up on schedule at 5:00. Anyways, after the group one of the girls Anneliese came up to me upstairs where I was in the closet room (where I was made to sleep for a week) and she said she wanted to talk to me. One of the things she started out with was "Cheryl told me to come up here and teach you a lesson, and she also gave me permission to do whatever the hell I wanted to do to you because you and just a little slut and a whore, you are worthless and thats why you do things with boys" after she was finished talking she got real close to my face and spit in it, after that she slapped me on the cheek a couple of times adn then she punched me in the stomache. There was nothing I could do because no body else was around and this girl was about 150lbs or more than me. I was so scared and there wasn't anything I could do about it.
The next time I got in trouble we had gone to Lake Powell and while we were there I stole pills from one of the boys there, they were prescription pills that Mark and Cheryl knew about that he had in his backpack, anyway me and two fo the other girls took them together. When we got caught Cheryl brought us into a room and yelled at me, but the other two girls she said that she felt sorry for so she was hugging them and telling them that she understood. Then she made them leave the room. When they left she started cussing at me and then threw a stack of huge books at me. Then she came up to me and spit on me and pulled my hair and practically threw me over a chair. Again there was nothing I could do.
There was also another incident with the boys, there was a boy named Tony in the program when I had forst gotten there, he got in trouble for something and some of the boys that were mad at him asked Cheryl if the could beat him up, and she said "what i dont know anything about it if anyone asks" so they took the boy out on the side of the mansion where they park the cars and they (dusty, rob, aaron, cory, brian, and a few of other boys just started kicking him and punching him and they got him on the ground and they hit his head on one of the cars and they were hurting him really bad. He couldnt do anything.
Cheryl doesn't care about anything but herself. I think she takes drugs that don't belong to her. In june of 2004 i fell off of my horse and i broke my ribs and sprained my ribs and i had a few pretty big bumps on my head, i got three bottles of pills, lorotabs, ibproufin 800, and perkasets. they are pain killers, well i didnt take very many of them because my mom said that they werent good for me and plus they made me sick so there were a lot left in the bottles. I went home in july and i moved back to Utah to live on my own in the beginning of August, i went back to the Whitmore to get the pills so I could send them to my mom and there was one lorotab left and about 3 ibproufins, and i wondered where did the rest of my pills go? I had asked Cheryl and she said she didnt know. How is this a good place to send your child when they are missing pills? Mark and Cheryl always leave their downstairs bedroom door open and unlocked, its not hard to go down there and get whatever you want, trust me, i know.
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« Reply #111 on: June 17, 2005, 07:45:00 PM »
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"I feel sorry for you gmom.  What makes one think caring about other people is BS, I can only imagine that you have been hurt very deeply in your life by someone close to you.  If you really care whether i am for real or not come and judge for your self you are welcome to call or visit anytime.  I dont take peoples opinions on this site personally, I understand they are driven by fear, hurt, and a host of other things.  The only thing i take personally is if someone directly hurts myself or my family by lying or using them in a way that could hurt others.  mary"


Save your tears,"Mary".  For yourself when you finally wake up and figure out you put all your faith and trust in a herd of SHEEP IN WOLVES CLOTHING. The state of Utah would not level charges against someone if they did not believe the children and the parents who witnessed and reported the abuse.

Take off the blinders, please, and ask yourself ... WHAT AM I NOT SEEING?????

Thank you.
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« Reply #112 on: June 17, 2005, 09:07:00 PM »
gmom clearly you dont read my post i never speak for anyone else i say that nothing ever happened to my son and that is what he maintains till this day.  mary
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« Reply #113 on: June 17, 2005, 09:07:00 PM »
gmom clearly you dont read my post i never speak for anyone else i say that nothing ever happened to my son and that is what he maintains till this day.  mary
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« Reply #114 on: June 17, 2005, 09:10:00 PM »
by the way gmom please dont speak on what i give my son you have no idea of our relationship.  mary
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« Reply #115 on: June 17, 2005, 10:06:00 PM »
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"gmom clearly you dont read my post i never speak for anyone else i say that nothing ever happened to my son and that is what he maintains till this day.  mary"


Nothing that he has chosen to tell you maybe.  I remember a post here not too long ago from him to you pleading with you to believe what he has been telling you for the past year about the Sudweeks.  One thing I remember he said was that they are not what they appear to be.  He has also told other adults of things that he observed happening to other children at the Whitmore.  He also has said that you would cut off any financial support ,if he did not come on Fornit's and apologize to Cheryl or about what he had previously said about Cheryl.  

Why is it, do you think, that he had a hand in helping four kids leave Whitmore?  Do you suppose it's because it's such a wonderful place?  Come on.  Don't you even question a little bit?  

Because if you don't, you have got your head in the sand or you are getting something in return for your support.  Are you by any chance a friend or affilated with Sue Scheff?

And why don't you address the facts that I posted to you about the kids that did get abused.  You seem to just step right over that issue.  

You know, the issue is not you or me or any other person who did not walk the walk.  The issue is that kids were abused, assaulted, humilated.

When you come on here and say how wonderful the Sudweeks are, you degrade every kid that was at the Sudweeks mercy.  Everytime you support Sue Scheff, you are as guilty as she is in sending kids to a place where they will be abused.  What kind of person does that.

We were also lied to, as well as many other people.  If the Sudweeks are doing "God's Work," then I'd rather be on the side of the devil.
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« Reply #116 on: June 17, 2005, 10:14:00 PM »
Mary, I would really like to understand where you are coming from, and I do not mean that to be derogitory or accusistory.

I do not believe for a moment that all supporters are evil or stupid and hope that you can also acknowledge that not all of us who question the Sudweeks' practices are evil or stupid. If we can agree to that end, perhaps some meaningful conversation can happen that will help all concerned.

The families who are angry because their children have stated that they were mistreated. Can you not understand their anger? of course you can, you believe that Chris was harmed at Ivy Ridge and that must be a source of pain for you. Some of your posts have elluded to this.

Are you aware that there are parents and kids who went to or are going to Ivy Ridge who say that those who "claim" abuse are liars and complainers? What do you say to them? How is this any different Mary? Why is it so hard for you to simply consider the possability that these kids from Whitmore who are speaking out ARE telling the truth? Put yourself in the shoes that you yourself have worn!

Mary, I do understand this must be difficult for you, as difficult for me to think anything these people do is good. However, I do think they possibly did help some kids, I just think they have gone too far and I question their tactics. The ends do not justify the means. Is one life more important than another? Just because Chris may have been helped does that make it OK that someone else was harmed?

As a parent, I understand the decision to send your child into treatment must have been heart wrenching for you and of course you are grateful he has returned to you. That does not mean you owe them to turn a blind eye to everything else that goes on there. They were paid very well to help your son, you paid your debt to them quite literally in cash.

I also imagine how difficult it might be to consider that you were wrong about your choice of schools a second time. One day I hope you will know that you did the best you could at the time, and you were not the only one who was fooled.

I wish you well, from where I stand I think you may have a few difficult monthes ahead of you and I only pray that you and Chris continue to heal and develop your relationship to its fullest.
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« Reply #117 on: June 17, 2005, 11:16:00 PM »
Gmom will probably not get an answer to any of her questions directed to mary gentile. Perhaps some ramblings, but no answers.
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« Reply #118 on: June 18, 2005, 08:14:00 AM »
well i wish i knew who you were because i am impressed that you feel as i do that it is so destructive to be hostile to anyone on here that just wants the best for their child and will be happy to answer your questions. Well to the the question about the parents at ivy ridge all I say is i am glad that it didnt happen to their child but the reason i know for sure it happened to my child was that he had bruises and rashes in places that were clearly fron hours of face down torture.  This was documented by a doctor. Also the day i got him out one of the workers admited that bad things were happening to him because he fought them till the end.  Doesnt make it right.  Also some of the things were so bad that they have not been posted to protect my sons privacy and you could not imagine it if you tried it is so unspeakable and there is more i dont knoww but remember my son had to have medical care.  As for your question about whitmore there are kids that were in the same roomthat say the opposite of what other kids in the room said.  They conflict each other.  I am still in touch with many kids that are not there and the disagree with accounts i have heard on the web.  So i am not god it is not my place to believe one child over another, i do however believe my son, that he was never mistreated there. However look at what happened when i got on here to clarify the truth about things that were printed about me.  First they tried to question my education and called me al kinds of names when it could not be discredited, then they called me a mother whose kids are a burden to society and should not be allowed to reproduce, and they have said i should burn in hell.  So unfortunately its hard to believe or consider any thing as truth when the very people that are telling the events are out right lying about me someone they dont know.  Having said that I do appreciate your position and the rational way that you presented it and i thank you for your well wishes with my son and i and i sincerely wish you the same with your child.
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« Reply #119 on: June 18, 2005, 08:27:00 AM »
gmom i will be happy to answer you i have never met sue scheff and she did not send my son to whitmore so i have no idea where that is coming from. as for my son he did not help 4 kids leave whitmore alex was his girlfriend and wanted to go home that was her idea not chris's and she will probably tell you that if you ask her.  Also my son wasnt even in utah when the 3 boys left and joyce harris bought their plane tickets but this is already known but i dont want to speak concerning those boys out of respect for their parents it is not my place. mary
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