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« Reply #90 on: June 16, 2005, 09:07:00 PM »
Why the fuckety fuck woudl you remove a kid from an abusive program to send him to another program..

thats pending charges for abuse, at that?

Heres a exciting idea, QUIT GIVING YOUR KIDS TO STRANGERS! Jesus christ. Oh, and considering they could punish him if he said something bad about the program, and didnt say ivy was bad when he was in it, what makes you think hes really all that safe at whitmore?

Why are you so set on giving your kid (and your money) to these asshats who run programs?

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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

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« Reply #91 on: June 16, 2005, 09:12:00 PM »
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On 2005-06-16 17:57:00, Antigen wrote:

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"i didnt have to go on my sons word he was in such bad shape i had to take him to a dr. The physical abuse was evident every where front and back and by the way he still states today he was never touched by the whitmore"




No doubt, the Whit is a different kind of program than WWASP. I keep trying to get you guys to read up on The Seed. I think it's quite similar. It's not so much of a rough and tumble, pepper spray and hog tying kind of abuse. It's more mental and emotional.



In that sort of environment, there are bound to be some over-the-top incidents of physical abuse. It's just part of the pack-dog mentality that goes along w/ an authoritarian group.



Just my opinion, of course. But I think it's worth considering.

so long as the universe had a beginning, we could suppose it had a creator. But if the universe is completely self-contained, having no boundary or edge, it would neither be created nor destroyed it would simply be. What place, then, for a creator?
--stephen Hawking, English scientist


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I have read quite a lot about The Seed and The Straights ... and yes, the newer "brands" of behavior mod programs (WWASPS, CEDU, Whitmore, ASR,etc) share a common theme:  Group Mind/Thought Control.

What's incredible is the privatization of changing the behavior of America's youth has been going on for decades ... impacting the lives of a generation of youth.

What used to be called the anti-drug movement is now called the "emotional growth" movement.

It's basically the same crap wrapped in a different package.
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« Reply #92 on: June 16, 2005, 09:20:00 PM »
Pepper Spray Jay has been charged since he has been at Ivy Ridge?
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« Reply #93 on: June 16, 2005, 09:36:00 PM »
Not that I know of. But AIR is under investigation since the riot. And that hasn't been the first red flag there.

Trust me on this one. Given a choice between WWASP and the Whit, I'd take the Whit. I already know the mindfuck so I'd have a huge advantage.

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« Reply #94 on: June 16, 2005, 09:45:00 PM »
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What used to be called the anti-drug movement is now called the "emotional growth" movement.


Exactly! It's an extremely maliable concept. Whatever parents are afraid of, you just sploodge a little TC style "therapy" on it and *poof* the problem dissapears like a stubborn stain when you spray it w/ Shout!

The Seed cropped up in Ft. Lauderdale in the Summer of Manson. What were parents afraid of them? Why, pot smoking, rock concert going, war protesting, long haired commie hippies. Art played to that.

What are parents afraid of now? Just take a moment to scan the tabloid headlines and unmute the tv whenever you see an Oprah or Dr. Phil ad. Why, in no time at all, you'll be fully qualified and prepared to write ad copy for the troubled parent industry.

It's such a damned simple formula; that along w/ the pyramid marketing model that's not quite, but almost the legal definition and the RTC, no school, no boot camp, no wilderness, no equine therapy... No, not therapy at all! Why, mr licensing man, anyone can plainly see that this is just your typical boarding school. No different from any other family.... I mean faculty, not family... that's just those silly overly entheusiastic kids talking.... Ya' know, they just love it so much here, that's why they sound like they're all on the verge of a mass nervous breakdown. Nothing funny going on here at all, nope! Not here! Look somewhere else!

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« Reply #95 on: June 17, 2005, 12:12:00 AM »
I'm glad people are asking why parents choose to drop a problem child off with the nearest professional (fill in your own finger-quotes).  But the self-righteous tone of some of these anonymous posters is pissing me off.  Just like 007's asinine rant about cocktail-swilling socialites, your blanket assumptions are entirely off base and (just as entirely) unhelpful.

In the interest of full disclosure (an interest I wish more of you shared), I am Tha Truth's older sister.  She was sent to the Whitmore when she was about fifteen;  I have mixed feelings about my parents' decision then as now.  But let me tell you who my parents are and who they are not.  I understand that I can only speak for one actual case, but I feel that that has more value than an infinite number of speculations.

My parents have been married for twenty-nine years;  they have six children.  For those of you pining for the picket-fence days, we come pretty close to the Moral Majority's ideal family.  Dad worked, Mom stayed home, we went to church.  And, Antigen, we were home-schooled.  Our parents were and are deeply thoughtful people who are not susceptible to fads (which, of course, psychologism has been judged to be for a couple decades now).

All the misty-eyed nostalgia and half-baked theories must take into account that human beings don't and haven't ever worked according to one philosophy, one equation, or one recipe.  We are infinitely complex.  Rich, poor, ignorant, educated, neglected, loved--none of these factors determines what a person becomes.  Five of the children in my family did OK;  one of us became determinedly destructive.

What do you do when, despite discipline, "toughing it," counseling, cajoling, and, finally, asking for professional help, your child persists in endangering herself and everyone around her?  No one--grandparents, pastors, friends--knew what to do.  She was mixing pills and alcohol and having sex with strangers in exchange for drugs.  Our family was falling apart;  we were being physically threatened;  we were cruising the streets in the middle of the night trying to find her.  I defy you to live with this and come up with a glib solution.  It doesn't exist.

Raise six children on one small paycheck.  Pay bills, fix cars, run errands, fight your self-doubt, try to please God, discipline, listen, consider, nurture, worry.  My parents agonized over what to do with Anneliese.  They sent her away because they didn't have anything left to try.  There were no shrugs or deep sighs of relief.  Do you understand despair?
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« Reply #96 on: June 17, 2005, 12:29:00 AM »
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"Mary, you should also get Chris to tell you his eye witness account of Joey's abuse at Lake Powell. Chris's account of it is just heart-breaking the way he recounts the details and the injuries Joey suffered. We were horrified by Chris's account of these abuses against this boy, and shocked that Chris said Cheryl Sudweeks instructed the kids to mistreat Joey in such an inhumane, criminal manner."


Better yet mother MARY, why don't you come to court....If tweaker doesn't cop a plea.see for yourself....all the crap put on the ledge.....judge for yourself.....nudge judge ROY?.......AMF
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« Reply #97 on: June 17, 2005, 12:38:00 AM »
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"You and Joey's parents could comfort each other as you relive these horrible nightmares or your son's abuse--YOURS at Ivy Ridge....and Joey's at Whitmore."


WHAT?
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« Reply #98 on: June 17, 2005, 01:28:00 AM »
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On 2005-06-16 18:12:00, Anonymous wrote:



What used to be called the anti-drug movement is now called the "emotional growth" movement.




Exactly! It's an extremely maliable concept. Whatever parents are afraid of, you just sploodge a little TC style "therapy" on it and *poof* the problem dissapears like a stubborn stain when you spray it w/ Shout!



The Seed cropped up in Ft. Lauderdale in the Summer of Manson. What were parents afraid of them? Why, pot smoking, rock concert going, war protesting, long haired commie hippies. Art played to that.



What are parents afraid of now? Just take a moment to scan the tabloid headlines and unmute the tv whenever you see an Oprah or Dr. Phil ad. Why, in no time at all, you'll be fully qualified and prepared to write ad copy for the troubled parent industry.



It's such a damned simple formula; that along w/ the pyramid marketing model that's not quite, but almost the legal definition and the RTC, no school, no boot camp, no wilderness, no equine therapy... No, not therapy at all! Why, mr licensing man, anyone can plainly see that this is just your typical boarding school. No different from any other family.... I mean faculty, not family... that's just those silly overly entheusiastic kids talking.... Ya' know, they just love it so much here, that's why they sound like they're all on the verge of a mass nervous breakdown. Nothing funny going on here at all, nope! Not here! Look somewhere else!



One born every minute...

Real criminals walk free every day to rape, rob, and murder again because the courts are so busy finding consensual criminals guilty of hurting no one but themselves.... To free cells for consensual criminals, real criminals are put on the street every day.

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Yep, along with drugging their 6 year olds into compliance with the expectations and demands of their teachers, parents can send their teens to a "specialty boarding school" to forcibly raise their emotional IQ.

Adolescence:  No longer a rite of passage but a social disease.
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« Reply #99 on: June 17, 2005, 01:36:00 AM »
Kathopper, I understand your anger here. But try and put yourself in the shoes of someone who had NO idea anything like this industry existed, or even could exist, in this age and place. It's practically incomprehensible that anybody could fall for this. But then, consider all the people who get jacked by rediculously stupid investment frauds and are just too mortified to even tell their friends and family.

It's amazing what people will fall for, including inteligent, reasonable people of character, when they're desperate.

Finally, what would I do? I guess if I didn't know better, I might have sent my daughter off for her own good and the good of the family. The only reason I didn't is that I DO know better because I lived it. These people are just selling promises they can't possibly keep. It's little different from the Earnest Angley slapping people on the forehead and pleading for $2 million to get him into heaven.

I understand the desperation, and I understand why people fall for it. And there is no glib answer that I can offer as an alternative. What did we do? We stole moments w/ our daughter when we could, tried to dodge the psycho boyfriend, didn't let him bait us into war w/ our daughter. We toughed it out, that's all, just like parents used to do before Chuck Dederich ever devised this grand scheme and sold it to NIDA as the panacea against the youth movement of the late `60's.


Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.
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« Reply #100 on: June 17, 2005, 09:47:00 AM »
I will go to court if someone lets me know when and please dont print that chris said those things about lake powell because that is not what he said to me,  I dont want someone believing that when you wont even say your name and there is no proof you ever have talked to my son.  He told me lake powell was great and it changed him for the better.  Thats what i was told by him.  chris if you are reading this please conform but i hope you are staying off and moving on love.
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« Reply #101 on: June 17, 2005, 09:51:00 AM »
sorru chris i ment to say please confirm what you told me about lake powell.  You know i cant type!! Iwill go see batman this weekend since yo thought it was great!!
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« Reply #102 on: June 17, 2005, 03:55:00 PM »
This is how this woman communicates with her son, on fornits? God, I think if this woman was my mother, I'd take up POT SMOKING!
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« Reply #103 on: June 17, 2005, 04:25:00 PM »
how are you going to tell a mother (talking about her own son here) that that is the way she communicates with her son. Believe me, they talk on the phone all the time too. You are telling "us" that she talks to her son through here...you have no clue..you are NOT the kid's mother! You know what is being said online, and that is all. The same goes for everyone else, you people might know what is being said online, but further than that, must of you are basing your assumptions on posts. Anyways, man..get a life! if I sat on this DAMN thing all day making replies to every little thign..such as you, remarking on the relationship that you think Mary and her son have, then id probably be SMOKING POT TOO! Ive seen first hand the relationship that Mary and Chris carry, and it is more than you could EVER wish to have! Peace
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« Reply #104 on: June 17, 2005, 05:16:00 PM »
Kathopper you sound so smart and loving, i am sur you are a great example for your sister.  Just love her no matter what and eventually she will return to those values she was raised with the ones you clearly have.  I know your mom is proud because your post touched my heart and i am a mom.  It put a smile on my face to know that you are someones friend, special sister, and one day a mother your self!!!! Love those around you dear one! whoever you are. mary gentile
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