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« Reply #45 on: January 23, 2005, 01:28:00 PM »
Karen - BUzzill -

Did PURE refer to Abundant Life Academy?  I'm not asking if she referred you and your son to ALA, but did she refer others there?
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« Reply #46 on: January 23, 2005, 01:33:00 PM »
//her efforts to market her services in the way she does will continue to make her the subject of fair criticism from those of us who have been at this for a while and are justifiably cynical. //

I freely concede Sue and PURE are controversial. I'm not trying to argue otherwise. I really don't want to debate the point at all. I'm only giving my opinion based on my experience; and I feel it is as valid as yours; and more valid than that of those who don't know her at all.


//So, then you're saying that you feel confident that the programs PURE refers to are not the same as The Program based solely on your trust of Sue? Is that correct? You admit you don't know for sure, because she refuses to list them. Am I reading this correctly? //

No, your not reading it correctly. You are adding your own preconceived prejudices to my statement.

I am confident she does not refer to 'WWASP like' programs, because I am confident she knows how to recognize such programs as a result of her own WWASP experience; and as a result of my experience of her, I am confident she would never consent to send a teen to such a place.

I am not saying I am confident that every program PURE refers to is perfect and trouble free. I have no idea what problems they might have; or which programs they might be.

I am saying, I believe, as a result of knowing Sue, that if problems are pointed out, she would look into it; And if found to be legitimate and serious she would respond appropriately.

I've never yet seen evidence to the contrary.

I do think it unfair to make blanket statements, such as Chris made, based on fear and innuendo. I don't think he meant to be unfair - just that he was parroting the ideas he picked up from reading others thoughts and suspicions, accepted it as Truth, and commented without thinking it through.

And again - I know Lots of people disagree with Sue's business practices. Lots of people are opposed to anyone referring to any program. Lots of people are opposed to the use of escorts. As a result, PURE will always be controversial. I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion on any of these issues. But it is unjust to paint her as some greedy, heartless, money grubber b/c you disagree with her on these issues. That is my only point.

I have a question for our thread starter:

What is the difference between WWASP and WWASPS?
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« Reply #47 on: January 23, 2005, 01:40:00 PM »
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//So, then you're saying that you feel confident that the programs PURE refers to are not the same as The Program based solely on your trust of Sue? Is that correct? You admit you don't know for sure, because she refuses to list them. Am I reading this correctly? //


I am confident she does not refer to 'WWASP like' programs, because I am confident she knows how to recognize such programs as a result of her own WWASP experience; and as a result of my experience of her, I am confident she would never consent to send a teen to such a place.



That's pretty much saying that you are confident that she doesn't refer to WWASP-like programs because of your trust of Sue because of your experience with her.  How is that any different than how I interpreted it?
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« Reply #48 on: January 23, 2005, 01:41:00 PM »
Did PURE refer to Abundant Life Academy? I'm not asking if she referred you and your son to ALA, but did she refer others there?

Now, I can't imagian why you are so obsessed with this, but if you must know, why don't you ask her? Or Craig?

If you want to talk to me about it, give me a ring.
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« Reply #49 on: January 23, 2005, 01:48:00 PM »
What is wrong with just answering the question?  Seriously, I don't get this.  I honestly don't know much about this so I'm trying to figure it out.  What's with all the mystery??  Why all the evasiveness...on BOTH sides of this??  I don't get it.
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« Reply #50 on: January 23, 2005, 01:49:00 PM »
based solely on trust/
I think this changes the meaning ever so slighty.

You admit you don't know for sure, because she refuses to list them. /
I admit no such thing. It has nothing to do with weather or not she list them. I feel I do know they are not "wwasp like".  I don't know they are trouble free. Listing them would not change this at all.
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« Reply #51 on: January 23, 2005, 01:50:00 PM »
WHY do you feel they are not WWASP-like?
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« Reply #52 on: January 23, 2005, 01:55:00 PM »
The practice of earning your living from programs you do not disclose and the practice of keeping secret the fact that you are working as an agent for undisclosed schools is not CONTROVERSIAL.  It is WRONG! Controversial is a word used to describe something about which reasonable people could differ.  What is the argument that justifies PURE's business method of keeping its relationship with the programs it works for secret. How unfair is it to the parents (buyers) who think that the "secret" agent is working for them when she is actually working for the program (sellers).
The success of these awful programs is based on convincing parents to TRUST the operators based on faith in their personal qualities that they show you rather then on objective information. That is exactly the basis on which you ask us to TRUST Pure.  Pure's seemimg sincerity combined with awful business practices should make you more skeptical, not less!
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« Reply #53 on: January 23, 2005, 01:58:00 PM »
What is wrong with just answering the question? Seriously, I don't get this. I honestly don't know much about this so I'm trying to figure it out. What's with all the mystery?? Why all the evasiveness...on BOTH sides of this?? I don't get it.//

Nothing wrong . . .
I just don't want to.
I think I am irritated with the bag over your head and your evasiveness about who you are and why you want to know. If you really want to talk about it; and there is no particular reason you don't want me to know who I'm talking to - give me a call, and we'll talk about it.

Oh, and as it might get lost in all the frequent posting and new pages - here is my question for the Thread starter:
 
What is the differenc between WWASP & WWASPS?
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« Reply #54 on: January 23, 2005, 02:01:00 PM »
Why can you not understand this:
I am not asking you or anyone to trust anyone or thing.
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« Reply #55 on: January 23, 2005, 02:09:00 PM »
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On 2005-01-23 10:58:00, BuzzKill wrote


Nothing wrong . . .

I just don't want to.

OK, well I guess that answers that.


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I think I am irritated with the bag over your head and your evasiveness about who you are and why you want to know.


Why should it matter who is asking?  Honestly, I understand it's irritating keeping anons apart, apologies for that, but what difference does it make?  It's a fair question.  I'm someone who was in a program years ago.  I've got kids of my own.  I have an interest in this.  I'm not an extremely active participant in "the cause".  I'm just interested in what all the controversy is about.  I've seen this debate/arguement going on here for, what?  a couple of years now.  To be honest, I don't keep up on it because the tone of Carey, you and a few others makes most of us just want to quit reading it.  It gets frustrating.  So, I just thought I'd try to cut through all the sniping, not take anyone else's word for anything and go straight to the sources and just ASK.  Silly me...I thought I might be able to get some clear answers so that I could be better able to figure out how I feel about this.
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« Reply #56 on: January 23, 2005, 02:16:00 PM »
//So, I just thought I'd try to cut through all the sniping, not take anyone else's word for anything and go straight to the sources and just ASK. //

And this is exactly what I suggest you do.
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« Reply #57 on: January 23, 2005, 02:23:00 PM »
OK.  In this particular case I'm asking why you don't think that the programs PURE refers to are WWASP-like.  What do you base this on?  I don't know if they are or not, I"m asking why you think they are not WWASP-like.

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I am confident she does not refer to 'WWASP like' programs, because I am confident she knows how to recognize such programs as a result of her own WWASP experience; and as a result of my experience of her, I am confident she would never consent to send a teen to such a place.


Is this your answer to that question?
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« Reply #58 on: January 23, 2005, 02:29:00 PM »
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On 2005-01-23 10:49:00, BuzzKill wrote:

"based solely on trust/

I think this changes the meaning ever so slighty.


Well, then tell me what else you do base it on.
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« Reply #59 on: January 23, 2005, 11:31:00 PM »
::bump:: Buzzkill, could you please answer?
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