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« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2005, 04:36:00 PM »
I watched the first few minutes then had to leave the room.  I taped it though so Shady Grove could watch it.

What "isolation room" was Sammie talking about?  I'm not sure what that meant.
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« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2005, 04:47:00 PM »
Sammie!   That was great.  Thanks for helping me heal just a little bit more today.    :wink:
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« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2005, 04:49:00 PM »
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What "isolation room" was Sammie talking about?  I'm not sure what that meant.  "


In my experience in St. Pete it was either an intake room or the infirmary that was used for marathoning.
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« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2005, 05:04:00 PM »
In Sarasota where I was at with Sammie I remember it as the "Time Out Room" is that right Ginger?
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« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2005, 05:20:00 PM »
Very good show.  to bad no names were mentioned...I did notice that that woman at the end when she talked about how to check out the programs she did say to check out the board of directors of the program...Is ole Jeb still listed on the board of S.A.F.E.
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« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2005, 05:36:00 PM »
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"In Sarasota where I was at with Sammie I remember it as the "Time Out Room" is that right Ginger?"


Yup! TR. Not to be confused w/ T&R. Ever see the inside of one of them? I still can't remember who busted my nose.

A democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.
A republic is where the sheep get to pick which wolves vote on what to have for dinner.
But in a constitutional republic, voting on dinner is strictly
forbidden.

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« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2005, 05:54:00 PM »
Wait a minute, Patriot! Haunting memory here...

I remember when Sammie was brought back to group. I remember her looking pretty damned bad and wild as hell. But nobody told us she'd been in the building for two weeks! If she had been in a TR we would all have had to know about it. But not if she were in one of the intake rooms up front.

Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and tortuous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind.
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« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2005, 06:50:00 PM »
oh my God!  Give me a BREAK!  You are kidding, right?!
  I laughed all the way through that show.  Especially "Samantha".  I think I heard maybe 2% of truth in her sob-drama. PLEASE.  I'm still laughing.  I was involved (graduate) with one of these "abusive" programs for years, and NEVER saw ANY of that- oh, except restriant of violent kids.  THAT DID happen- for good reason.
  So, Samantha was this great little girl, no problems or issues and mom decided one day "Let's take her to a program to have her abused?!?"  COME ON!! Get real here...seriously.
  The part about how they make them look like resorts, but then they get there and they're not...  LOL!    Sure,- my kid is doing drugs, getting arrested, etc., so I want to send them to DisneyLand!
   The drama portrayed today wasn't even Golden Globe worthy.  It basically showed how pathetic this lady is today.  Sad.  I hope she gets help she's needed for a LONG time.  I think she BELIEVES what she says, which is even worse.
   Dont' you find it interesting that they didn't have anyone who DIDN'T have this kind of experience at one of these programs on the show?!  I emailed the Montel show to ASK and REQUEST that they have it balanced, by also having SUCCESSFUL gradutates on the show too.   But no response.  Hmmm....  Oh- and I LOVED the barb-wire at the beginning of the show!  Where was THAT filmed?!?  Not at any program I ever saw.
  Anyway, I think you should graduate to the JERRY SPRINGER to tell your next "story".
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« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2005, 06:58:00 PM »
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" oh my God!  Give me a BREAK!  You are kidding, right?!

  I laughed all the way through that show.  Especially "Samantha".  I think I heard maybe 2% of truth in her sob-drama. PLEASE.  I'm still laughing.  I was involved (graduate) with one of these "abusive" programs for years, and NEVER saw ANY of that- oh, except restriant of violent kids.  THAT DID happen- for good reason.

  So, Samantha was this great little girl, no problems or issues and mom decided one day "Let's take her to a program to have her abused?!?"  COME ON!! Get real here...seriously.

  The part about how they make them look like resorts, but then they get there and they're not...  LOL!    Sure,- my kid is doing drugs, getting arrested, etc., so I want to send them to DisneyLand!

   The drama portrayed today wasn't even Golden Globe worthy.  It basically showed how pathetic this lady is today.  Sad.  I hope she gets help she's needed for a LONG time.  I think she BELIEVES what she says, which is even worse.

   Dont' you find it interesting that they didn't have anyone who DIDN'T have this kind of experience at one of these programs on the show?!  I emailed the Montel show to ASK and REQUEST that they have it balanced, by also having SUCCESSFUL gradutates on the show too.   But no response.  Hmmm....  Oh- and I LOVED the barb-wire at the beginning of the show!  Where was THAT filmed?!?  Not at any program I ever saw.

  Anyway, I think you should graduate to the JERRY SPRINGER to tell your next "story"."


Just because you never personally saw abuse, DOES NOT mean it didn't happen.
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« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2005, 07:35:00 PM »
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On 2005-01-18 15:50:00, Anonymous wrote:

" oh my God!  Give me a BREAK!  You are kidding, right?!

  I laughed all the way through that show.  Especially "Samantha".  I think I heard maybe 2% of truth in her sob-drama.

Well, there are people here who were there with her at the time.  Sorry.  You lose.

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I was involved (graduate) with one of these "abusive" programs for years, and NEVER saw ANY of that

Then count yourself among the lucky few.

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So, Samantha was this great little girl, no problems or issues

Yes, that's very likely.  Most of the kids that I was in there with didn't have a drug problem at all.

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and mom decided one day "Let's take her to a program to have her abused?!?   COME ON!! Get real here

No, YOU get real.  Her mom was fed a line of crap just like all the other parents.  She was scared into believing that her kids actually needed this place and that it was safe and effective.




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The part about how they make them look like resorts, but then they get there and they're not...  LOL!    Sure,- my kid is doing drugs, getting arrested, etc., so I want to send them to DisneyLand!

Go take a look at some of the ads for the WWASP "schools".  They DO look like resorts.

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Dont' you find it interesting that they didn't have anyone who DIDN'T have this kind of experience at one of these programs on the show?!  I emailed the Montel show to ASK and REQUEST that they have it balanced, by also having SUCCESSFUL gradutates on the show too.   But no response.


No, I don't find anything interesting about that.  Most of these shows have been promoting these places for years.  Equal time.
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« Reply #25 on: January 18, 2005, 08:53:00 PM »
Anon if your so proud of your success then why not post you name like Sammie did?  Tell the world? I'd like to have some ballanced dialog with you up front and personal?

Sam disregard the bastard!

Your the bomb don't forget it. You have done way above what most people would just to tell the truth. If people can't handle it then oh well. The truth is the truth and I support you as always..........

Thanks SAM!!

Your Friend..........

VSP

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« Reply #26 on: January 18, 2005, 09:12:00 PM »
For all you know, Ginger or her husband or Greg or Pickle or even myself could have just written that trolling post. There is no monitoring on this forum, right? For fuck's sake all anyone knows is that Sammie could have possibly just written that vile post. There is no monitoring.  And you call what I do trolling?  

If you are going to allow any sort of trolling post to come on here, I am going to start trolling AGAIN Gin and Greg. Stop acting like you don't fucking monitor this fucking place. you fuckers are here all fucking day and check in at least twice daily.  I will give you about two days to take down the Stupid and lame anonymous post defiling Sammie's t.v. testimony or I will troll just like before.  Only I fucking swear to god it WILL BE thirty times worse than before.  I promise.  Stop playing fucking games about your monitoring.

HOW are you supposed to monitor?  Figure it the fuck out for yourselves.  And it better get done, that shitty post has no business on here unless my trolling posts do, too.  You can't do anything but agree with it if you allow that post to be on here.

ANIMALS.
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« Reply #27 on: January 18, 2005, 09:14:00 PM »
I remember when rebel clients would dissapear for a week or two.  I wondered if they were pulled, copped out or what.  Noone was allowed to talk to anyone about what happened to people.  They would get belt looped back to group with a dazed look and scabs all over their arms and faces.

After Straight I talked to some of those people and thought the testamonies to be unbeliveable.
One guy told me about when they had him pinned down in the doctors office shooting thorizine into his back.  Straights proudest slogan was that "They were a chemical free treatment program"  I wasn't allowed asprin or any drugs what so ever on first phase.  I believed that slogan for the longest time.  As I heard from witnesses to the inncident one said "God, you don't remember his screaming,  staff kept telling the group to face forward at the steps.  God they were horrid screams, I'll never forget it."
I still don't recall.  At one point all the screaming just became normal to me.  There were  kids screaming on the floor as restrainers increased presure on their limbs into the concrete floor.  Screaming and confronting in group.  "He's running" as the upper phases chase a newcomer to the door.  Like wild dogs, they'd all flench and jump to the occasion, but the last of the attack would settle back down in their blue chairs when the pack was already deployed.  I lost attention to what all the screaming was about.  I just expected it dailey.

I heard about a girl getting raped in the doctors office by a staff member in Irving.  A doctor or nurse would visit the office to see clients once a week for an hour.  In their absense the office was used as an extra time out room.  I had a hard time believing the rape story.  But what I did see and what I do know?
Hazing;  Oldcomers would thump and hit newcomers in the testicles during bathroom breaks.
Sexual assult;  As a newcomer, I witnessed a 17 yr old sodimize a 13 yr old with a plunger handle.  I reported the inncident to staff.  They were both started over with no theorpy for this type of behavior.
Forced sex games;  Guys would have masterbation contests with no regard to the clients locked in the same room with them that didn't want to participate or watch.
With this I think, why is it so hard to beleive that one of these guys on staff raped a girl he was in charge of, alone in a back room for hours with at Straight Dallas.

Some things are so sad we don't want to beleive them.  But we got to face them.
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« Reply #28 on: January 18, 2005, 09:18:00 PM »
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  Anyway, I think you should graduate to the JERRY SPRINGER to tell your next "story"."



Successful being what? That you are still brainwashed and support these programs?
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« Reply #29 on: January 18, 2005, 09:25:00 PM »
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"For all you know, Ginger or her husband or Greg or Pickle or even myself could have just written that trolling post. There is no monitoring on this forum, right? For fuck's sake all anyone knows is that Sammie could have possibly just written that vile post. There is no monitoring.  And you call what I do trolling?  



If you are going to allow any sort of trolling post to come on here, I am going to start trolling AGAIN Gin and Greg. Stop acting like you don't fucking monitor this fucking
place. you fuckers are here all fucking day and check in at least twice daily.  I will give you about two days to take down the Stupid and lame anonymous post defiling Sammie's t.v. testimony or I will troll just like before.  Only I fucking swear to god it WILL BE thirty times worse than before.  I promise.  Stop playing fucking games about your monitoring.



HOW are you supposed to monitor?  Figure it the fuck out for yourselves.  And it better get done, that shitty post has no business on here unless my trolling posts do, too.  You can't do anything but agree with it if you allow that post to be on here.



ANIMALS. "


Looks like dope girl made it to your couch :lol:
I feel for ya bro.  Good luck.
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