Montel Show

[Antigen]

On 2005-01-18 15:50:00, Anonymous wrote:

Dont' you find it interesting that they didn't have anyone who DIDN'T have this kind of experience at one of these programs on the show?! I

Yes! Yes I do! The really interesting thing about that is that the Montel Show is paid for by voluntary advertisers. Those bullshit "smoke a joint, execute this adorable innocent child" public service announcements are paid for w/ money taken from us by force.

"It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself."--TJ

I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much
liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.

--Thomas Jefferson, 1791, in a letter to Archibald Stuart

[Antigen]

On 2005-01-18 18:25:00, Reagan Youth wrote:



Looks like dope girl made it to your couch :wstupid: (not on the couch)

Distrust all in whom the impulse to punish is powerful.
--Friedrich Nietzsche

[Antigen]

On 2005-01-18 18:14:00, Reagan Youth wrote:

 I lost attention to what all the screaming was about. I just expected it dailey.

I did too. I think it's one of the worst and most insideious things about it. I didn't even feel it happening. I just had the illusion blown for just one horrible moment once or twice that I can remember. And you couldn't react at all or you'd just wind up right "down there on the floor" (as we used to sing... oh! the irony!) You couldn't let anybody catch you looking around to see who else might be thinking the same thing. So it was like nothing ever happened. Unless you could get rested enough to remember something, and then you'd have to worry about getting busted having bad thoughts about leaving and spend some ticks preparing a defense.

There's so much I don't remember, but then there's a lot I do to. I learned how to be made of stone. I won't say that hasn't come in handy from time to time. But I'm sure there are better ways.

All our liberties are due to men who, when their conscience has compelled them, have broken the laws of the land.
--William Kingdon Clifford

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Seed sibling `71 - `80
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
   10/80 - 10/82
Anonymity Anonymous
Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.

[Anonymous]

What does Sammie do for work / for a living? Anyone know?

[Sophie]

Ok, about this "TR".  Are you saying kids stayed in them like solitary confinement?  Did they sleep there at night? Sorry if I am being dense here...I just don't understand.

[ehm]

"Isolation Rooms" = "Time-Out Rooms" - SAME THING
(I don't know why she changed the wording, probably just to explain what they were with out having to really explain.)

T&R - Talk and Responsibilities

[Kathy]

One of my first days there (when my memory was still functioning) staff and group yell at one individual, then at the end of all of that yelling and screaming, staff says, "WHO WANTS TO TAKE 'SO-N-SO' TO TIME OUT."  Group starts motivating, (I was brand new and thought they really were anxious to take someone to time out) I thought, these people are insane!  They are get all excited about taking someone to time out!!  Then staff would name some people, they would get the newcomer and take them to a small room (seems to me there was a time out room in the front left corner of the big goup room, that held janitor supplies -- this is in st pete)and then there were screams and cries and wails.  That was when I decided I was in this building with a whole bunch of insane people, and I better do what they want me to, or I was going to get either really physically hurt or killed.

Then these "misbehaviors" would go home with some really "strong" oldcomers and continue the torture in the home with marathoning and more. Then back into the building the next morning and back into the time out room.

I began to HAVE to shut down my memory soon after that for the shear need to keep myself somewhat sane and try to survive the best I could.

[thepatriot]

On 2005-01-18 14:54:00, Antigen wrote:

"Wait a minute, Patriot! Haunting memory here...



I remember when Sammie was brought back to group. I remember her looking pretty damned bad and wild as hell. But nobody told us she'd been in the building for two weeks! If she had been in a TR we would all have had to know about it. But not if she were in one of the intake rooms up front.

Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and tortuous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind.
--Thomas Paine, American revolutionary

"

I remeber that tooo Ginger, and your right they must have had her up front in one of the intake rooms, I am sure we would have heard what was going on seeing how the time out rooms were in the back of group as opposed to being up front like the intake rooms. Yep I remember when they brought her back now, just like when they brought Bobby Ruggles back several times. Looked beaten down and abused.

[whiterabbit]

Great job Sammie.

Ignore the cowardly anons attempting to belittle what you did. They don't have the courage to even post a name much less go on national television and share vulnerable, painful memories. I won't see the show until this weekend but I don't have to. You put yourself on the line and took great emotional risk to tell the truth. That is as important as anything you said and makes you a hero in my book.

As for the anon-I'm sorry your experience was not universal. I really am. I wish I had seen none of those things happen myself. But I was there from late 1980 to 1983. I experienced the madness, tyranny and abuse firsthand. So I have the advantage of not having to wonder if it's true or like you try to reconcile my memories with an experience different than that of my own. I have the luxury of narrowing  my questions to why and how can it be prevented.....Oh and p.s. - I am wildly successful.

Jails and prisons are the complement of schools; so many less as you have of the latter, so many more you must have of the former

--Horace Mann

[Sophie]

Ok.  1990-1991 in Virginia I don't believe we had the isolation room thing.  People were taken to the intake rooms for screaming and then brought back and sat in the back of group.  And on a couple occasions I remember boys taking boys to the "showers" for more screaming I think.  This last thing is a vague memory...anyone else from Virginia...does that sound familiar..were there showers?

[ehm]

In Straight Dallas there were two small, roughly, 8x8 rooms with no ceilings called specifically, "Time-Out" rooms. Due to the lack of ceiling you could hear everything that went on in group perfectly, and vice-versa. The screams, racket, and scuffling were such a familiar sound in the back of group, that if it were quiet then you were just waiting for an outburst, with crashes and screams. Hearing sobbing was common too.

These rooms had tallies carved in them from the numerous days some spent in them. There was blood on these thin, plywood walls, from the constant "craving" most of these kids did, or scab picking, and painting with blood. It was disgusting, and "animalistic" as Sammie said in her statements on the Montel show. I can see how you'd feel like a wild animal being held captive, hell, I felt that way, and I was never even a "misbehavior."

[Animals]

None of this shit really happened. Sammie just made it all up.  You are all lieing.  And dope girl is sitting right here. Straight never existed.  Everyone knows you are all crazy.  Hey, this would make some good shit for a really whacky fantasy movie though, now wouldn't it.  I guess if we're 'not monitoring', then I can say whatever the fuck I want to say.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-01-19 12:13:00, Animals wrote:

I guess if we're 'not monitoring', then I can say whatever the fuck I want to say."

Yup.  That's the whole point.  Can we move on from this now?

[Anonymous]

On 2005-01-19 12:13:00, Animals wrote:

"None of this shit really happened. Sammie just made it all up.  You are all lieing.  And dope girl is sitting right here. Straight never existed.  Everyone knows you are all crazy.  Hey, this would make some good shit for a really whacky fantasy movie though, now wouldn't it.  I guess if we're 'not monitoring', then I can say whatever the fuck I want to say."

Of course you can say whatever the fuck you want to say. What do you want to say?

WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SAY?

-(from someone who does not hold it against you.)

[Animals]

I want to personally say FUck YOu for thinking I want or need your permission to go ahead and say whatever I want to say since I already do it.  The monitors who say they don't monitor and have edited posts and other posts when it suits their agenda not the agenda that they supposedly created for 'informing people about the child help industry'.  

Since Straight Incorporated never existed, except in our heads, then I'm not sure why there is a site for survivors of Straight. That shit that happened on Montel was a hyped up joke.  We can all stop lieing now and the joke is old.